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TOPIC: Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring

Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 08 Jul 2016 06:59 #103752

I signed up to get Alan Chapman's emails... this one is very provocative, but I think folks here would be interested:


How to spot the fatal flaw in any teaching

It’s an absurd image: a farmer wandering his fields wondering how to get rid of an absence of crops.

Or sneaking about suspecting the crops are already there, he just hasn’t seen them yet.

In our last instalment (How to wake up without being confused) we used an agricultural analogy to help us relate to the process of waking up.

By using the analogy we can see the correct way to relate to our subject; but the greatest virtue of using the analogy is in the images that result from seeing how not to relate to awakening.

An illustration of the absurdity of ignorance or false beliefs is far more instructive and compelling than simply seeing what one should do, which naturally follows anyway once the absurdity is obvious.

If we want to know if a teaching is an accurate understanding of reality and, more importantly, whether or not the instruction is detrimental to our progress, we can revisit one analogy in particular to bring the nature of the teaching into sharp relief.

Dealing with an absence

If what we care about is seen to be absent, then we don’t want our present condition to stick around, and our goal - achieving what we care about - lies somewhere in the future.

It makes sense that if what we care about is absent, we literally don’t care about what is present.

What is present is simply a means to an end.

What is present is something we must use to get to where we are going.

And if the goal is all we care about, then it doesn’t matter how we get there, just so long as we do.

This is what it means to be practical.

At all costs

In an earlier instalment we introduced the analogy of lover and beloved as a way to understand the relationship between the psyche and reality.

Each shares in love with the other, and the love grows effortlessly (again, a generative hierarchy of equal participation). This is what it means to be ideal.

There can be milestones that are both celebrated and anticipated in falling in love: the first time you tell each other how you feel, the first kiss, the first time you have sex, building a home together, getting married, maybe even having children.

But all of these milestones or big events are simply a way of taking this growth in love to the next level, not the other way round.

Imagine going on a date with someone who announces they want to get married at all costs, because that’s how you fall in love.

Like someone announcing they want to wake up at all costs, because that’s how you get to know reality.

You can’t buy love, but you can rent it for 3 minutes

Consider a customer with a prostitute.

It looks like love, but he is prostituting himself by using her for sex, and she is prostituting herself by using him for cash.

It’s a practical appearance of love, and a reciprocal relationship.

They will never even tell each other they are in love, let alone get married, because neither is possible.

They are both using each other, and being used, as a means to an end.

The goal is all that matters, and the other person is just someone who must be used to get there.

Pimp and Prostitute

If our reality is seen to be unsatisfactory - what we care about is absent - then we cannot help but relate to our reality as a means to an end.

We don’t want our reality to stick around; we want this unsatisfactory reality to give way to the future reality we imagine.

Our current reality is a means to an end, to be used up in the pursuit of awakening.

Now if lover and beloved is a perfect analogy for the relationship between psyche and reality, we can see that any practical strategy for achieving awakening is by its very nature an instruction to treat reality as a means to an end.

This means prostituting your beloved.

You’re a pimp.

Of course, being reciprocal, to follow a practical instruction you must also prostitute yourself for awakening.

And so reality is now your pimp, treating you as a prostitute as well.

It goes both ways, and explains a lot about the experience of ‘dryness’ or ‘the dark night of the soul’ or the ‘stages of suffering’ recognised by practical traditions as a necessary part of the process of waking up.

If you treat reality as whore, reality treats you the same.

It should be obvious you cannot fall in love by prostituting yourself or your beloved, and you will never even kiss let alone have children.

Pimping out your beloved is not a necessary stage in falling in love. If the process of awakening is a struggle, it’s a result of being practical - and therefore a failure in understanding the nature of the process of awakening - which is the opposite of the ideal nature of the growth you share in.

Prostitution is a practical appearance of love, meaning it is the opposite of love itself.

Practical instructions are a practical appearance of awakening, meaning they are the opposite of awakening itself.

Practicality is then based on false belief.

Ideal instructions

If we are being practical, we are using a strategy of false belief to escape the absence of what we care about.

If we are being ideal, we are using a way of knowing to participate in the presence of what we care about.

Opposites.

Esoteric contemplation is ideal practice, and we can even use the beloved analogy itself for our contemplation.

How to spot the fatal flaw in any teaching

Because a strategy of false belief is not a way of knowing, there is an extraordinarily simple way to identify one from the other.

Here’s an example:

‘Practice[meditation technique] for 2 hours a day for 10 years and you can expect to go through various stages - some good, some bad - with [insert number of] awakenings. If you have a bad period, don’t make any big decisions and take lots of walks. If you suspect you have had an awakening, don’t rush to any conclusions and leave it for a year or two.’

You will agree this is a great appearance of knowing all about awakening. Lots of descriptions and advice.

Here’s another appearance of knowing with advice:

‘There are no stages and awakening is sudden. You must give up seeking, and then you will discover there is no awakening and no one to wake up.’

However, these appearances fall apart when we ask a simple question:

Why?

Why is reality such that awakening is this way?

Why does awakening even exist in the first place?!

Why are we even here at all?!!

The best a pimp can offer in response: ‘Dunno’, ‘Who cares as long as it works?’, ‘It’s a mystery,’ or ‘[insert pop-psychology/quantum physics/nondual fudge].’

Remember, practicality only gives the appearance of the real thing; if the teaching is ideal, it provides a way of knowing for you to make sense of reality in its totality, that you can share in together with the person offering instruction.

No guessing, no believing, no faith required, no doubting; just the certainty of seeing for yourself.

See for yourself

Don’t be a pimp.

Or a whore.

Learn contemplation.

And come on the Cascade retreat.

NEXT: The politically-incorrect truth about transmission we are just not ready for!
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 08 Jul 2016 09:26 #103753

That reads like a very long advertisement to me.

Just sayin'
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 08 Jul 2016 09:27 #103754

I realize that the previous email in this chain helps set the context, so here is that one:


How to wake up without being confused

‘It’s sooooooo easy!’

Trying to figure out how to wake up can be extraordinarily frustrating, and my usual response on retreat to this frustration usually engenders laughter, but only in that it makes the frustration worse.

I know what the student is thinking, because I’ve been there: Well if awakening is so easy, or not dependent on how much effort we make, or how much practice we do, or is so ordinary and always the case it’s never not available, how come everyone isn’t awake then? Or more importantly (screw everyone else) why am I not awake now?!

So then I go on to explain not just why it so easy, but how it is so easy.

But first of all I have to admit my claim that it’s easy isn’t quite right; awakening is sooo easy it’s not even easy! To even talk about easy and hard is to imply effort is somehow involved, when it isn’t.

(Of course, to make sense of how to wake up, we must first understand participation. Nothing else will do it. If you haven’t already, you should read The #1 secret to making sense of awakening (no one has heard of) (the email before this one) at least once. Don’t worry if you haven’t full grasped participation yet; what I’m about to say will only help in understanding what I’ve said before.)

The fact that reality is a generative hierarchy of equal participation means that through the sheer fact of how reality is, growth just happens all by itself.

Two key words to keep in mind: effortless growth.

This effortless growth happens through participation in the greater reality that is already complete or total. The lesser shares in the greater, the greater shares in the lesser.

It’s a given.

This greater universal reality is always present and something you already participate in, at all times.

Effortless growth inside a universal reality.

Like a baby in a womb; or a seed in the earth.

Compare this with the assumption behind the frustration:

This universal reality is absent, and you want to know how to make it present.

Oh dear

It’s a nonstarter: a radically incorrect assumption about your relationship with reality, and the nature of awakening.

It makes sense then that if you are trying to get rid of an absence, you will always struggle and fail, because you can’t get rid of something that isn’t there.

We could call this a contraction in ignorance. It leads nowhere.

It’s the opposite of a growth in awakening.

Frustration and failure is not a part of the progress of the psyche in the wisdom.

It sounds silly to spell it out like this, but failure is not a part of success.

Failure is failure. Success is success.

If you are feeling frustrated, you might think it has something to do with awakening, but you are in fact doing something else entirely.

You’ve made a case of mistaken identity.

Farming

Farming is an archaic analogy for understanding awakening.

A farmer does not wander about desperate to know how to get rid of an absence of crops.

Or sneaking about his fields suspecting the crops are there all along, he just hasn’t seen them yet.

This is not farming.

Farming is the tending of plants that grow all by themselves. The growth is effortless. The farmer does not have to physically stretch the plants. No sweat is required for growth.

The necessary growth essential to farming is sooo easy! It’s actually beyond effortless, it’s a given.

However, the farmer must tend the growing plants to ensure a good yield; the farmer must cultivate what is effortlessly growing with a degree of excellence to ensure the crops don’t fail due to disease or for lack of the right growing conditions.

And this is where we find the effort of farming: cultivation.

Cultivation means to tend a growing seed by removing any pests or disease and by providing the best growing conditions.

The farmer never asks, ‘How am I going to make growth happen in my crops?’; rather, he asks, ‘What is the best way of growing my crops?’

Let’s translate the analogy:

You have a seed that is growing: the beholding of a greater reality that participates in the psyche, and vice versa.

This is awakening, and it is always happening, effortlessly.

But is it a seed, a seedling, a shoot, or a mature crop?

It takes time to grow a crop, but the amount of time can vary depending upon the quality of the cultivation. Crops will always pass through the same stages of growth, but how fast is down to the care of the farmer, how problems such as disease and pests are dealt with (if at all) and the quality of the growing conditions.

Awakening is a process of effortless growth that takes time and goes through predictable stages, but what kind of a growth is it?

And in terms of how long it takes, what would be the equivalent of disease and the ideal growing conditions?

This is your crop

The growth of awakening is a movement from a false beholding of an appearance of reality to a true beholding of the reality of appearance.

This movement has four stages:

Ignorance: this is mistaking the appearance of reality to be reality, without even being aware there is a problem. The darkness of the seed.

Belief: this is having both right and wrong opinions about the appearance, but with no understanding as to why those opinions might be right or wrong. The reaching towards the light of the seedling, whilst still remaining in the dark.

Understanding: this is making sense of why your opinions about the appearance are right or wrong, but without knowing why it makes sense. The shoot breaking into the light.

Wisdom: this is beholding the nature of the appearance for the first time - actual knowledge of the appearance as an appearance - and the culmination of the process of awakening to the reality of the appearance in question. The mature plant producing seed - which is the benefit of growing the crop (food) and the beginning of the next growth cycle. (Remember what we said about the generative hierarchy? Here it is again.)

Wisdom takes time and a stage can’t be skipped; no use expecting a seed to magically produce another seed.

You can’t grow by desperately trying to avoid growing.

But the time it takes to grow wisdom isn’t about a quantity of time, but the quality, because the growth is literally moving through the four stages.

And this is how you tend awakening

If growth is seeing an appearance for what it really is, then we must tend to seeing appearance for what is: the reality of appearance.

It’s that simple.

This is daily esoteric contemplation.

Problems in growth must then be wrong beliefs that keep us from progressing through the stages. We can remove these diseases or pests by seeing them for what they are.

This is regular dialectic contemplation.

The frustration of trying to deal with the absence of reality - the assumption behind asking ‘how do I wake up?!’ - is an example of a problem in growth.

You may notice that knowing this isn’t enough to prevent you from continuing to make the same error. And that’s because all you’ve learnt is a right opinion. This is stage 2 in seeing the appearance for what it is.

In order to resolve the problem for good, we need to see directly why this opinion makes sense, before finally seeing the truth of the appearance (or attaining wisdom in regards to this problem).

And this is why we need a way of knowing and a discipline such as dialectic contemplation to resolve these kinds of problem for good.

And the optimum conditions for growth?

A tradition of farming; the transmitted or shared knowledge of a master farmer; fertile soil; an abundant water source.

In other words: a Cascade Retreat.

The right question

So the question isn’t ‘How do I wake up?’, but ‘How am I waking up?’

Knowing the right question to ask means we are now able to appreciate excellence in cultivation when it comes to awakening.

And we can see the fields are full of failing crops.

However, the right question also allows us to understand why these crops are poor and how we can do a better job of cultivating them.

Many crops suffer slow growth for lack of attention. The basics of gardening can be mastered with esoteric contemplation.

Some are failing to flourish due to pests and disease; easily resolved with a good dose of dialectic contemplation.

Some shoots have broken the surface but are yet to produce a yield without the ideal growing conditions.

Well, reaping what you have sown is so easy on a Cascade Retreat, it’s not even easy.

NEXT: How to spot the fatal flaw in any teaching!
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 08 Jul 2016 09:33 #103756

Again -- it would appear that the answer to all these very weighty awakening questions will be to attend a Cascade retreat. I've followed Alan Chapman for a long time - since the very earliest DhO days in the mid-2000's - but the various and multiple renditions of Alan Chapman are beginning to look like the search not for relevance but for a decent living. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's not quite about what's best for the reader, is it?
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 08 Jul 2016 10:03 #103759

I'm sure he would say that reading isn't going to help as much as one-on-one work... but I agree, this is walking the line between business and teaching. Time will tell.
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 08 Jul 2016 10:07 #103760

I believe Alan is awakened and I believe he's a good teacher knowing some obviously awakened folks who come from Alan's retinue of students, and even their students. I just think those e-mails are kind of, uh, "out there."
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 08 Jul 2016 10:13 #103762

Yeah, I don't really hear "his voice" in the emails... but maybe this is where he is at now.
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 09 Jul 2016 07:48 #103775

The final installment:



The politically-incorrect truth about transmission we are just not ready for

Transmission:

The idea that through simple physical proximity, sight, sound or contact a person can share in the awakening of another.

This idea causes bouts of explosive denial in many.

The endless historical records of transmission are written off as self-serving fantasies or simple parables never meant to describe a real event.

The countless reports of transmission from students of 20th century gurus and teachers are brushed aside as ‘lies’, ’hallucination’, ‘confirmation-bias’ or ‘placebo’.

After all, there is undeniable evidence these gurus were self-aggrandising con-men and women, often responsible for abuse on a large scale.

If we admit these people really did participate in transmission, it would mean everything else they claimed - the miracle cures, the superstitious advice about HIV, their abusive behaviour being ‘crazy wisdom’ for the benefit of the abused, their divine infallibility - would also have to be true as well, right?

No

Half of all Isaac Newton’s literary output was concerned with Biblical prophecy.

We would make a grand error if we concluded physics is bullshit too.

Seeing the awesome truth of physics in action for ourselves is not evidence we must prepare for Judgement Day.

Participating in transmission with a guru is not evidence the guru is omniscient, omnipotent or omnipresent.

It’s not even evidence the guru is sane, intelligent or trustworthy.

Transmission is not a reason to give him your trust fund.

Or your body.

Blowing minds

Imagine you are a seeker, and one day you begin to go through a series of awakenings. Suddenly, other seekers under certain circumstances spontaneously begin to experience the same awakening in your presence.

‘Wow’, you think, ‘this is an awesome power! I’m not sure how it works, but it seems to be coming from me, so it must be mine, right?’

People flock to you, all gooey-eyed and ecstatic. You can’t believe it! They tell you special things are happening to them, things they can’t believe either. It’s miraculous! And it’s all down to you.

Master.

‘Well of course’, you think to yourself, ‘I must be special to have such a presence: I’m literally blowing minds! It’s a mystery for sure; but then maybe everything I do is miraculous and a mystery too…’

You see where this leads.

Imagine if your awakening happens in the presence of an already established guru, who then confirms you are the most important spiritual teacher since the Buddha or Jesus?

Adult conversation

Culturally, we are simply not ready for an adult conversation about the reality of transmission, which is why the above scenario is doomed to repeat itself.

Of course people can lie about transmission, of course people can be mistaken about transmission, and of course the very idea seems too implausible to be true.

But then so is reality.

Those that claim reports of transmission are only evidence of ‘hallucination’, ‘confirmation-bias’ or ‘placebo’ should really learn what those words mean and, even better, take the time to familiarise themselves with the studies that describe and demonstrate what these psychological effects are.

For someone who’s never experienced transmission, it’s unbelievable, yes; but it’s equally unknown too.

Of course, to have the right opinion about transmission doesn’t require first-hand experience; we need simply use a way of knowing to make sense of first-hand transmission events as part of a scientifically-rigorous study program.

Once we have a few decades worth of scientific evidence, it’s possible transmission will be normalised. Structure + Purpose is one such program.

It’s also possible our culture will respond so badly to the evidence it will refuse to accept it for a long time, as prone to confirmation-bias, the placebo effect and hallucination as it apparently is.

Bad parenting

Currently the truth of transmission is politically-incorrect because it implies a hierarchy, with these appropriately detested, abusive gurus at the top.

But as we know from The #1 secret to understanding awakening (no one has heard of), this isn’t just a hierarchy, but a generative hierarchy of equal participation.

Just like the relationship between a parent and child.

It should be obvious there are extraordinarily bad and abusive parents in the world; but this doesn’t prevent their children from becoming parents themselves, and often, much better parents too.

But these bad parents are always the greater in the hierarchy; our parents don’t cease to be our parents simply because we wish otherwise, or have children ourselves, or even become better parents than they ever were.

As with the farming analogy introduced in How to wake up without being confused, the parent isn’t responsible for the actual growth of the child, but they have an equal share in the quality of that growth. In other words, cultivation; because the child is going to grow regardless through the sheer fact of participation.

As parents, the question we ask ourselves is, ‘How am I sharing in the growth of my children? In the best way possible, to the best of my ability?’

Analogically, the abusive guru is the worst kind of parent.

Ignorant of participation, these gurus take credit for growth happening at all with their students, as if this were enough to make them a good teacher (and as teachers, this growth is taken as evidence for the power of the teacher as someone who knows.)

Transmission - a shared growth in awakening through proximity - happens through the sheer fact of participation, as result of the greater (reality) literally growing within the lesser (the psyche of the awakened human being); and the lesser (the psyche of the student) growing within the greater (the reality within the psyche of the awakened human being).

No credit can be taken for the fact of transmission.

But excellence in cultivation is the responsibility of both student and awakened human being alike.

Pimp my transmission

In How to spot the fatal flaw in any teaching, we revisited the lover and beloved analogy and discovered it’s practical equivalent: pimp and prostitute.

There is nothing like transmission to bring out the pimp and prostitute in people.

‘Alan, I want to come on retreat, I’m looking for the transmission effect!’ read a recent email.

And he didn’t even offer to buy me a drink first.

If you’re thinking of coming on the Cascade retreat to wake up through effortless transmission, under the assumption you will not have to concern yourself with excellence in cultivation as an ongoing practice, you should cancel your plans now.

All transmission means is you have entered the ideal conditions for a confrontation with false images of both yourself and reality.

To go beyond these images requires cultivation: esoteric and dialectic contemplation, and a shared commitment to excellence with a group of like-minded people who think it’s time we did things differently.

People who have come together to be a source of modern wisdom.

If this sounds like you, then maybe I can buy you a drink on the Cascade retreat.

FIN
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 09 Jul 2016 09:56 #103778

Well, I'll say one thing about all of these analogies and discussions of an absent presence: it's damned confusing, needlessly so. I accept that awakening is confusing and a paradox, but this just makes it incoherent. And yes, it comes across as an infomercial.
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 09 Jul 2016 11:28 #103781

The day the 'science' that the above discourse puts faith in proves that spiritual awakening happens by intangible person to person transmission, on that day and not before I will buy Alan a drink :) the sexual imagery is all more than a bit creepy.
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 09 Jul 2016 11:54 #103783

I accept that awakening is confusing and a paradox, but this just makes it incoherent.

Attending the Cascade retreat will clear this all up for you!

:P
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 09 Jul 2016 11:54 #103784

Oh, okay!
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 09 Jul 2016 11:57 #103785

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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 09 Jul 2016 13:13 #103786

I have to say I respect what Alan is doing here, because a) he's talking openly about enlisting awakened mentors to lead the small group work, and b) he's both setting up and participating in hands-on teaching. The big, old-fashioned (read: boomer originated) retreat centers don't offer that, although they do offer a lot more sitting and walking meditation. I also think the price is reasonable and the size seems ideal. We are at a point now of looking at a lot of different ways to do this, and this looks like an interesting model. I look forward to hearing how it went.
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 11 Jul 2016 14:54 #103815

Dear all,

I've been working together with Alan at the Fountainhead for a few years now, and I'll be at the cascade retreat as a trainee. Glad to field any questions you might have. I think the natural reaction to a new view on awakening is often bewilderment, but in my own experience at least it really does make better sense of things once one is familiar with the ideas.

One point I want to make - The intention of the emails is precisely to spread word about the retreat! The emails even intentionally have clickbait titles, which I would hope is pretty clearly tongue-in-cheek. Everyone's best interests are at heart here, after all you don't have to attend and there really isn't getting around the fact that our ideas are best learnt in person :)

Pretty soon we'll have an interactive portion on the Fountainhead website where everyone can share together in understanding for free.
Last Edit: 11 Jul 2016 14:59 by Hami Tipene.
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 11 Jul 2016 15:23 #103819

Hami, here's an odd question: is there anyway to get a sense of what's happening "being the scenes" at Fountainhead? A lot of us are very familiar with Alan's practice and past projects... and we're curious how things are going on a normal human level. What was it like putting together the teaching model and designing the curriculum? What does the team look like, is it just you and Alan or are there others? Everyone happy with how things are going? Any help that you need? What's been the biggest challenge so far? What would you do differently in retrospect? Those were just the questions from the top of my head. :)
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 11 Jul 2016 16:18 #103820

Hami, here's my question -- what caused you to create an account here and respond to our comments? I'm just curious....
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 11 Jul 2016 16:36 #103821

Good questions!

It was around two years ago that the idea of the Fountainhead was born at one of the small retreats we held together. There is a core group of around fifteen of us that were involved in putting together the 'curriculum'. Essentially that involved some regular meetings between us and Alan for a good deal of last year where he gradually refined the core of the Fountainhead into what it is now.

There's a bio page online of some of the students (including myself) and Alan on the website actually! We'll be continually adding to it as the others add their input as well: iamfountainhead.com/student-stories/

I suppose we are all pretty happy with where it is at now. It would be fair to say it's moved a bit more slowly than we would have hoped as we all have our own lives to attend to, and Alan has a family to take care of these days. Personally I would say anything worth working towards takes time of course. Learning experiences? There's been plenty! The Fountainhead started as a non-profit but we quickly became uncomfortable with that model - we are not here to promote belief but work towards developing a profession that can produce measurable results in the world.

Happy to hear you'd like to help. Of course we don't expect everyone to spend money and fly over how ever long you need to make it to the retreat. The best help anyone could provide would be to simply get involved once the interactive portion of the site goes live! Anyone will be able to engage, there'll be video instructions available and mentoring available for free. I am sure you all have your own views on what Alan has written already, but the magic really does come from putting it all into practice. It is through sharing in our practice with others, through describing of one's experience and drawing out the details that one comes to a greater engagement with our heart's desire - that is what the whole enterprise is aimed at, awakening is merely a byproduct of the whole process.

Chris - well that's simple, we've been working on this for some time now, so when I saw mention of the Fountainhead online it's just natural to want to reach out and add a few words ;)
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 11 Jul 2016 16:44 #103823

Thanks, Hami - I'm glad you reached out to us. I was curious about how you found our little backwater forum.
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 11 Jul 2016 17:39 #103827

Hami Tipene wrote:
I think the natural reaction to a new view on awakening is often bewilderment, but in my own experience at least it really does make better sense of things once one is familiar with the ideas.

Thanks for letting us all know more about the process from a personal perspective, Hami! I would add that I don't think it's anything new here which has influenced any particular type of reaction (to me at least, the ideas being shared about awakening are all familiar to people who've been around more than one or two lineages).
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 11 Jul 2016 18:42 #103829

Yeah. Awakening is awakening is awakening. The process to get there can differ in many ways but the results tend to dovetail.
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 12 Jul 2016 04:36 #103836

I agree with some of the above that the marketing presentation is tasteless. Why resort to cheap tactics to get an email list? Once I receive all the emails I'm making an epub/pdf for anyone that wants it. It seems also that developing better writing skills would be an upaya in this case. Sentence paragraphs?

That aside, I find the approach attractive. I agree with shargrol's time-will-tell attitude.

I suspect that if we elaborated this thread it would end up a disguised "how does awakening relate to capitalism or political action/philosophy" thread. Those seem a regular event on the DhO at least. Perhaps it's time for one here. Is building our "wisdom tradition" on top of 2016 corporate capitalism really the move? Personally, I can't afford Alan's retreat but if I could I'm not sure if I'd want to sit around for days with other well-off weird white people.

FWIW, I find that I'm often reading passive aggression in posts on this forum. Probably partially projection. Take this feedback if you will. Censor this post if you will.

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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 12 Jul 2016 06:46 #103838

Some good background info from DhO, cut and paste:



Your questions in order in which I answer them:
- Does the Fountainhead School see seated meditation as necessary?
- What is the relation between personal/psychological problems and awakening?
- How does Grimes dialectic method apply both to personal/psychological problems and awakening?
- How does Grimes' method differ form these and why is it worthwhile contrasted with pragmatic dharma style vipassana?
- What does the Fountainhead School provide that the pragmatic dharma movement is missing?
- Does the Fountainhead School have any evidence that their method is effective in achieving awakening?
- Can we get some anecdotes or conjectures for now?

The Fountainhead offers a route to realizing our heart's desire through appreciating reality for what it is and looking past what it appears to be - this is done through meditation. The Fountainhead also teaches that appearances that arise repeatedly during meditation, and indeed through dreams and dramas in real life, reveal to us the wrong beliefs that hold us back from realizing our heart's desire (these generally take the form of personal problems) - we understand these beliefs through the employment of the dialectic. Therefore the use of the dialectic and meditation is intimately related. A sitting practice of no more than 30 minutes a day is required.

The Fountainhead provides a fuller understanding of awakening that is not offered in common current understanding of spirituality, including the pragmatic dharma movement. When I talked previously about our 'heart's desire', what comes under that umbrella is movement towards awakening, but is really much broader than that. Our real aim in the Fountainhead is movement towards a greater engagement in reality, and awakening is simply a byproduct of this whole process. This relates to Alan's extension on Grimes, moving past the dialectic as simply a method to solving personal problems, but connecting it all to awakening as well.

If I were to offer you an anecdote like you requested, I can tell you I have personally achieved a number of awakenings beyond '4th path', as have many others in the Fountainhead. This was achieved with ease, because in my opinion the Fountainhead is far more effective than anything else I know of in the western dharma movment, simply because it makes far more sense. There is a tendency in current spiritual understanding to treat the mind as the enemy (all thought is illusion, 'stories' to be ignored etc) and to engage in goal orienatated thinking around awakening. Instead our understanding around reality is that any appearance our mind presents to us is for our own benefit - dreams, repetitive thoughts, addictions, 'dramas' repeatedly show up in our life such that we can understand the beliefs involved and move past them towards a greater understanding of reality. You ask is the Fountainhead more effective at achieving awakening, but really, goal orientated thinking is really a wrong-headed approach to practice. What is often not understood is that deeper spiritual understanding can only be made through moving past trying 'to get something' out of our practice (and by extension life), and instead engage in reality for it's own sake.
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 12 Jul 2016 06:50 #103839

Interesting, I wasn't aware of Pierre Grimes, but from this list of articles, you can basically seen the context for the fountainhead approach:

noeticsociety.org/pierre-grimes/


Essays/Articles and Posts:

A New Paradigm Shift

The Dialectic in Plato’s Republic

Dreams and the Philosopher

The Dreammaster and the Pathologos

The Signs of a Pathologos Problem

An Introduction to Platonic Philosophy

A New Discovery: A Philosopher’s Reflection on Christianity

Philosophical Midwifery and Professionalism

A Study of Philosophical Midwifery:

Learning to do Philosophy

Philosophy, Religo the State, and the Problem of Terrorism

DPP and Reoccurring Issues
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Fountainhead Emails - Pimping and Whoring 12 Jul 2016 08:20 #103840

I like the idea of engaging with reality for its own sake!
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