Giulio B. pre-practice journal
- Giulio B.
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I've been in the dharma field since five years ago, and discovered the pragmatic dharma community two years ago. Done things on-and-off. I wasn't able to achieve tangible results. This is due to an intricate psychopathology (deeply-rooted depression, an extremely tenacious ocd, and consequences) that opposes most kind of meditation approaches. I am pre-nana and my concentration faculty is untrained. My road-map is as of always to set up the conditions for a trasformative practice to take off and get awakened, through doing the same things you do.
My favorites are noting, concentration on the abdominal movements, and something i call "writing". "Writing" is about writing down and trying to map the emotions that arise. It has the power to trigger in me interest instead of frustration, so It's what brought me to acquire the most self-knowledge.
Actually i'm somewhat confused, don't have a fixed (mandatory) practice schedule and any momentum. This is because it's five years that i'm constantly trying to set one up but have always failed at it. So I recently stopped to consider whether a more libertarian approach would be better. Rough out though i do something at evening time, and as an average it may be every other day.
I mentioned a strong ocd: let me just name it, even though being "content" is not that important for the sake of vipàssana. I have a spinal problem (a kind of hunchback) that causes me chronic pain, so i cannot sustain long-time sittings and also 20-minutes sittings can get troublesome. So I prefer to meditate lying down on a carpet. Being a hard surface and my eyes open, i can preserve a fair amount of attention, and i have to work with that anyway. "Writing" is done at a table instead, preferably in the library. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt="" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> it does not always work though, so it's not the holy grail.
- Giulio B.
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2) Easy notes like "hearing, seeing, pressure" are used very frequently, particularly when spacing out. It looks as they are used robotically to prevent moments of speechlessness, that would lead to what I call *fear of failure*, one of my most recurring fears.
- Giulio B.
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- Russell
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- kennethfolk
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- JLaurelC
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- Giulio B.
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"Russell":3uz110nm wrote: When i used to suddenly not have anything to note (the speechlessness you mention) I would note 'hunting' or 'nothing' or simply just go back to 'rising' and 'ft it here.[/quote:3uz110nm]
This time I noted "speechlessness" and "fear". I can tell that when this happens there are thoughts and fears going on.
"kennethfolk":3uz110nm wrote: Giulio, I'd like to hear more about the pulsing. Where do you feel it? How big is the area involved? What is the frequency of the pulsing? Does the size, location, frequency, or strength of the pulsing change over time? How does it change. Track it like one of those moving weather maps you see on the evening news. Become the world's foremost authority on your own pulsing. Tell us about it here.[/quote:3uz110nm]
It's mainly in the abdominal area. It is the heartbeat resonating through the lungs to the abdomen. The frequency is more or less stable. Sometimes it changes qualities, for example it may start vibrating or giving a sort of "empty stomach" feeling. Sometimes it gets powerful, and feels like a subwoofer.
"JLaurelC":3uz110nm wrote: Good work practicing with a sore back. As for the depression, people continue with their medical interventions as they pursue practice. I wish you all the best.[/quote:3uz110nm]
TY for the remainder. Although I must say, Me, drugs and psychotherapies, as well as depression and western approaches in general, we have a long passionate story of hate. <!-- s:mrgreen: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt="" title="Mr. Green" /><!-- s:mrgreen: -->
- kennethfolk
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- Giulio B.
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"kennethfolk":1k9dubn3 wrote: Keep investigating the pulsing, Giulio. I need to hear more about it. Are there sub-pulses? Flutters? Say more about the changes and vibrations. Don't be satisfied to float in the froth on the surface of your experience. Stay with something for a while, be persistant. Become the world's foremost authority on Giulio's pulsing. Report back here. Give us lots of detail.[/quote:1k9dubn3]
I like the task and have taken it up. Thanks. I'm going to answer some questions by myself.
- Giulio B.
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Noting: this evening there have been some harsh manifestations so i'd be better off not saying anything. But anyway. Perceiving 'decay' I sometimes ask myself what would feel like being agonizing, so i find myself picturing the panicking, maddening feelings of gravely ill people, and start to resonate. So in the end i noted "despair" and "fear" for the first 10 minutes. This is ok.
Conc. On Pulsing: feels relaxing. Althought Kenneth put it in terms of doing a sort of vipassana centered on this set of sensations, i feel more like they're solidifying and the focus polarizing on a small area of the abdomen. This happened naturally, or maybe because of lazyness.
I'm taking it slowly to avoid burnouts.
- Ona
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A physical sensation arises, the mind thinks "yuk, I don't like that" and then it goes into the database and starts churning out imagery of death and illness, which then produce a reaction of fear, which generates further physical sensations and so forth. Through vipassana-like observation of the original physical sensations, one can start to see this pattern. It's quite interesting once one has untangled a bit and can observe how it works. Then it becomes more like the difference between watching a scary movie when you are a kid and it totally scares you, versus watching one when you are older and you and your friends just shriek and laugh each time a monster jumps out, because then you know how these movies work: guy goes into dark room, spooky music starts up, monster jumps out, etc. "Yeah, that was the best monster scene ever. Did you see how good the special effects were this time? Better than that other movie."
- Giulio B.
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I started the concentration time saying "i'm going to grab it like a rabid dog...", not exactly what has happened lol. Drifted heavely from the second half. While right at the beginning concentration spiked, sort of.
- Giulio B.
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Noting (15 min., loud, recorded) I used a higher cushion so the **** associated to the throat was less disturbing. This time noting got faster than usual, for like 1-2 minutes at about half the time. At that point the frequency was 1 note / second. On average, instead, it should be around 1/1.7 seconds. Good variety of notes overall (probably around 20-30 notes). As it got fast it got scary, probably (in part) because i was fearing to lose it. Also because nothing was happening ("wow it got fast but this is it? not tripping into the hyperspace or getting wiser or anything? are we sure this works? it doesn't, so i'm really hopeless." - kind of thoughts). When noting gets intense it gets troublesome, and 15 minutes can get definitely troublesome already (noted a lot of "wanting to escape" and "wanting this to end"). Continuing.
- Giulio B.
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2) Another event, perhaps a precursor of the first one, is when mind goes in "seeking" mode. It starts "trying to see", and entangles in some way. There is some fear inside.
3) I've stopped for now mapping the emotions because it is getting too theoretical and too difficult.
- Giulio B.
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- Giulio B.
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2) Two days ago i realized that i wasn't noting almost any mental state (3rd foundation or 3rd type as defined by KF, and as I can see from his clouds because they're the absolute majority of his notes). So yesterday i decided to note only those. I copies all the notes from Kenneth's clouds, read them before beginning, and started. The result is that i have been speechless for about 20 minutes. The only notes have been: "FEAR, WORRY, judgment, self-judgment, self-loathing" and a very few sporadic others. Very slow speed at the beginning (could have been 1/10s with enormous approximation), degraded rapidly, 3-4 minutes past the beginning i wasn't noting anymore (if not extremely sporadically) until the 15th minute or so, when for 30 seconds there has been a sudden increase, then decreased again to zero until the bell. I was a little drowsy but it wasn't just that, there is a sort of interdiction.
3) One could go on noting ph. sensations even while half-sleeping. There must be a reason why physical sensations and feeling-tone are clear, while most thoughts and mental states are sneaky.
4) The problem are distorting formations. "Distorting" is a terminology i borrowed from a book by Shinzen Young. They literally flex and bend the stage to their own will. I don't think they are physical sensations (theoretically, they can't be charged with energy or anything). They can be either feeling tones, but really really strong ones; the subsequent drive to end those (a sort of very primordial drive, like the reaction to a wild bear charging towards you, which doesn't even seem to be fear or if it is, it would be a very pristine and perhaps ancient form of fear), and more specific, better formed and sometimes object-oriented fears. Mental images, hopelessness, dispair etc. arise in between. I don't know much else about them aside that I Hate them.
- Giulio B.
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"Practice" is always only 15-20 minutes of noting on the evening.
- Giulio B.
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Ok. This evening activities will stop at 19.45 and meditation starts at 22 pm. Usual scheme conc. + silent noting.
- kennethfolk
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- Giulio B.
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"Giulio B. , Thursday 11 april":1uw9jvom wrote: Tonight there have been quite a few formations of love and self-compassion, as well as curiosity and some questions that arose about the strange nature of the mind in real time. This means that, statistically, given the alternating nature of this stuff, i'm going to see the Gates of Hell either tomorrow or saturday (getting prepared already).[/quote:1uw9jvom]
- Ok, between the past friday and sunday a sort of aversion-to-noting cycle started. The peak was Wednesday and yesterday evening probably faded. So now I should have a few days or noting low on aversion. Interesting that the peak (an incredible depressive low) happened right at the middle of those 7 days.
- I still don't know what to do with the distorting fears that follow triggering ph. sensations. It's like those that would arise if you get ripped open alive (just less intense). I can only continue with noting-vipassana.
- Some of the things that arise are difficult to name, and in the case the name doesn't fit them very well, strong judgment and self-loathing, sense of failure arise concerning the noting itself (this paricularly happens with "hot" formations such as those in the previous point)
- I'm going to leave for a car trip which is about 30 min, and note for 30 min.
- Giulio B.
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Started by noting very fast. It was almost effortlessly fast, 1 every second or more. One major arrest point lasted 3-5 seconds in which i couldn't note anything. Not many fear and aversion formations (I am usually dive bombed). Completed with little effort 9x10 breath counts, mistaking only the first one.
Rant: It's sad how practice(s) outcomes are so mood-dependant. I would like to reach a dimension that lies beyond these things. I can tell that i'm scared of the frail nature of this body and mind, and that life could **** me anytime in general.
Current practice is always a couple of minutes of conc. + 15-20 minutes of noting in the evening. From when i started this new diary up to now it's 40 days. I think that I have skipped 1.5 sessions per week on average.
Although i sometimes get curious about mind in real time, i'm still not really interested in it, so I do it only because "I must", in some sense.
- Giulio B.
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This evening 10 min of conc. On breath followed by 15 minutes of noting. I wasn't very sharp. There is a lot going on though.
Tomorrow i'll have a 40 minutes drive and will note for 40 minutes. (Choiceless, silent). Tomorrow evening med. Starts at 22. In the next days hopefully i will take this thing more seriously and write some more meaningful posts.
- Giulio B.
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Two times, at the beginning of the session and distanced abou 30 seconds each other, it seems that i have made some "discovery" which made me think "i have to tell this at kfd" and "i better not forget this". I got all excited (for nothing anyway), and forgot a bunch of seconds later.
Tomorrow evening at 22.
- Giulio B.
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Minutes 2-6 (more or less): A growing speed, sharpness and "catching it". Positive emotions about it.
Minutes 6-8: Slight decay of the previous sharpness. Fears about it.
Minute 8-15: Stabilization to this lesser degree. Negative feelings of various kinds (mostly hopelessness and sadness) kick in. "Fog" phenomenon: a sort of mixed sleepiness, mind slowing down, generaly unclarity.
Extremely common notes: "hearing, pulsing, thinking, sensation". Very common notes: "seeing, judging, worry, fear, self-reference, image, imaging, knowing, fantasizing, pressure...". Other: "contact, unpleasant, laughing, grief, hopelessness, sadness, seeking...". I also had the feeling "to be locked on a superficial level of experience" or something like that. I note stuff like this "thinking".
10 mins of concentration afterwards. Didn't concentrate, i think because 20% I was a little shaken by the last part of the previous noting, 80% the pulsing (heartbeat) was a little intense and the sensations of the abdomen going up and down too feeble. So i immediately thought to switch to heartbeat as object. But then i thought that i would have acted according to the usual whim, which i didn't want to indulge (again and again), so i stayed on breath.
Tomorrow evening at 22. Saturday morning at 8 am (first time in the moring after years!), and then at 22.
(thank again for letting me write here).
- Giulio B.
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