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Kenneth's notes 10 Oct 2015 16:55 #100749

An idea is protected at the expense of another.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 10 Oct 2015 19:02 #100750

DAMN! that's good.	shargrol OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 11 Oct 2015 13:29 #100755

Kenneth Folk wrote: It's OK. I love you. When experiencing particularly painful, self-blaming self-talk, I went with "It's OK, I love you anyway." Brought me to spontaneous joy and laughter.	Martin S OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 11 Oct 2015 14:55 #100756

Leaves were raked by a body and a rake. A recursive thought-loop conventionally designated "Kenneth" claimed responsibility.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 11 Oct 2015 18:09 #100759

How can a thought-loop claim responsibility?	Jake Yeager OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 11 Oct 2015 19:31 #100760

Jake Yeager wrote: How can a thought-loop claim responsibility? It seems that a thought-loop is the only thing that can claim responsiblity. Without a thought that says "I" (and recursively refers back to itself to remind itself that it exists), the question of responsibility does not arise. Bodies and rakes and leaves move, with no one at the helm.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 10:58 #100769

Thanks for the clarification. I was a bit confused by the anthropomorphizing of "thought-loop" as something that takes responsibility. To say "I am doing X" is a thought, but the thought itself does not claim responsibility for an action. Instead, the content of the thought is that of claiming responsibility. __/\__	Jake Yeager OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 12:50 #100770

Jake Yeager wrote:

...the thought itself does not claim responsibility for an action.

Imagine for a moment that it does, and that there isn't any thinker preceding or owning the thought. Let this lens sink in a bit. While not perfect, it is a powerful antidote to (and much more accurate than) the habitually unexamined assumption that the human body/mind is an agent capable of deliberately having thoughts.

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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 13:15 #100771

Having thumbed across the country, the hitchhiker congratulates himself on his driving prowess.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 14:59 #100772

I'm with you there. i think i may be being a bit picky with semantics. IME, a thought cannot claim responsibility. A thought can't do anything. A thought just arises and passes away in awareness. Nothing can claim responsibility for anything. For there is no thinker/doer as you point out. __/\__	Jake Yeager OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 16:03 #100773

Jake Yeager wrote:

I'm with you there. i think i may be being a bit picky with semantics. IME, a thought cannot claim responsibility. A thought can't do anything. A thought just arises and passes away in awareness.

Nothing can claim responsibility for anything. For there is no thinker/doer as you point out. __/\__

Let's slow down a bit. In order for this to be anything more than the repackaging of existing spiritual memes, something must be seen in real time. A good first step is to assume that you don't yet understand what is being pointed to. Does that feel all right?

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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 16:10 #100774

Crushed by uncertainty.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 16:12 #100775

Buoyed by ignorance.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 16:13 #100776

Arrested by stillness.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 18:00 #100777

Kenneth Folk wrote: Let's slow down a bit. In order for this to be anything more than the repackaging of existing spiritual memes, something must be seen in real time. A good first step is to assume that you don't yet understand what is being pointed to. Does that feel all right? Yeah, that's fine. What is the next step?	Jake Yeager OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 18:53 #100779

Jake Yeager wrote: Yeah, that's fine. What is the next step? There is no next step.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 12 Oct 2015 18:54 #100780

Dizang said, "Where are you going?" Fayan said, "Around on pilgrimage." Dizang said, "What is the purpose of pilgrimage?" Fayan said: "I don't know." Dizang said, "Not knowing is most intimate." Case 20 from The Book of Serenity, trans. Cleary	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 25 Oct 2015 01:20 #100884

There is love, but there is no lover. You are loved. Of this, there is no doubt.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 25 Oct 2015 01:45 #100885

Gott machte die beiden großen Lichter, das größere, das über den Tag herrscht, das kleinere, das über die Nacht herrscht, auch die Sterne. Genesis is such a beautiful story. So poetic, in any language.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 25 Oct 2015 13:53 #100894

The language of music too (along with English in this case):	nadav OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 26 Oct 2015 14:18 #100901

Kenneth Folk wrote: Having thumbed across the country, the hitchhiker congratulates himself on his driving prowess. Watching the sun rise in the east and move across the sky to the west, the watcher congratulates himself on his power to make the sun move according to his desire.	AugustLeo OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 26 Oct 2015 14:25 #100902

Kenneth Folk wrote: Arrested by stillness. Buoyed by uncertainty. Crushed by ignorance. Defined by stillness.	AugustLeo OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 29 Oct 2015 15:17 #100926

I am not the watcher.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 29 Oct 2015 18:51 #100927

I am not the one who knows. I am not the witness. I am not awareness. I am not what is known.	Kenneth Folk OFFLINE
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Kenneth's notes 29 Oct 2015 20:06 #100928

I don't know what I am and it doesn't seem to matter, anyway.	Chris Marti OFFLINE
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