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Ridiculous, but kind of exciting!]]>
General Dharma Discussions Sat, 09 Nov 2019 14:25:29 -0500
Dopamine fasting - by: Chris Marti ]]> General Dharma Discussions Fri, 08 Nov 2019 16:04:42 -0500 Dopamine fasting - by: shargrol Andy wrote:
How funny. I liked the book but not enough to keep it, so I figured I would let karma give it to whoever needed it and I left it on the train. Little did I know I was leaving 10 benjamins behind... :( :)]]>
General Dharma Discussions Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:43:03 -0500
Dopamine fasting - by: Ona Kiser General Dharma Discussions Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:17:31 -0500 Dopamine fasting - by: Andy

General Dharma Discussions Fri, 08 Nov 2019 13:25:21 -0500
The Dharma of Climate Change - by: Olivier]]> Stream Of Consciousness Fri, 08 Nov 2019 10:58:25 -0500 Dopamine fasting - by: Tom Otvos Ona Kiser wrote:
Everybody's nuts. :silly:

Did you ever read Duncan Barford's book about retreats? It was pretty funny.

Yes, I did and yes, it was.]]>
General Dharma Discussions Thu, 07 Nov 2019 23:06:55 -0500
Dopamine fasting - by: Ona Kiser

Did you ever read Duncan Barford's book about retreats? It was pretty funny.]]>
General Dharma Discussions Thu, 07 Nov 2019 11:46:29 -0500
Dopamine fasting - by: Tom Otvos

Now I have a new way to describe WTF I am going to be doing next week.]]>
General Dharma Discussions Thu, 07 Nov 2019 08:36:15 -0500
The Dharma of Climate Change - by: Olivier ]]> Stream Of Consciousness Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:49:26 -0500 The Dharma of Climate Change - by: Olivier
I haven't posted on this forum yet but have been coming on occasion to read some of the very good practice threads which abound here. But seeing this topic come up I must speak up. I haven't read all the posts so I might be repeating some stuff which has already been covered... A word of warning : this post contains heavy and hard to swallow information.

I'm sorry to have to be very grim in my response but yes, there is now absolutely no doubt that global collapse has already started and will have monumental proportions. Whether millions or billions will die because of it is uncertain, but more probably billions ... (some serious estimates - the famous model from the club of Rome's 1972 book The limits to growth - say ... earth population starts declining uncontrollably by 2030 and down to 4 billion by 2100). I'm not sure if it's a good idea to give away figures like that just for the sake of information, but it's hard to contain.

Sustainable development is a lie - it seems it would have been possible had radical measures been taken in the 70's-80's, but that has not happened AT ALL and it is now off the table.

Renewable energies are aso kind of a lie : because green energy sources have a much lesser ratio of efficiency than petrol, there is not even enough easily accessible petrol left to produce enough green energy sources to replace the global need for energy given the way we are living now. That's a bit of a convoluted sentence but it basically means that degrowth is inevitable. The problem is, we have passed the time when a smooth degrowth would have been possible (I think the last windows of opportunity were in the 90's-00's). This itself is a fact of difficult to fathom proportions...

The massive and highly complex interconnectivity and interdependence of our financial systems, economies, and infrastructures - now globalized - makes them extremely fragile, and a small event like the 2008 financial "crisis" sends ripples worldwide (think of what happened to greece, a european country). How do we feed, say, Paris, if the food supply chain is interrupted even for a little bit ? What happens to hospitals in case of an extended energy shortage ? What do you do when the banks have crashed and the atm's have stopped distributing cash ?

Basically, thermo-industrial civilisation is about to consumate itself. Industry and the norms of living which have developed in the past two hundred years depend on an abundance of energy which simply will never be available again to us now that almost all the oil is gone. So, this is not a crisis, because it will never go back to the "norm" which has been ours since the post-war years, or even the 19th century.

Technology will not work miracles either : it takes a lot of energy to produce technology... It has been shown that even if we mastered nuclear fusion, and had unlimited energy forever, all the other aspects of the world (environmental catastrophes, financial crashes, depleting resources including of the different kinds of materials and minerals which are essential for building technologies like smartphones and computers... among other things) would not get better and this energy miracle woud not avert what I'm describing. Think about that.

I recommend an extremely well documented book by a researcher named Pablo Servigne, "Comment tout peut s'effondrer". I don't know if it's been translated from french, but other books certainly exist in english. I dare you to not be convinced by it ^^ It is an amazing work which references hundreds of scientific articles and books by respected scholars, researchers, etc. etc., former political leaders like a former minister of the environment (france) ; in fact it's so convincing that I'm now in the process of a deep personal "conversion", let's say... If you would like some other sources, because why would you take my word for it, I'll be glad to share, there are many things available online.

I'm lucky enough to basically have very few responsibilities - except for my own life - and so this might be easier for me, but I think everyone can implement drastic changes in their lifestyles if they face this with lucidity and hope. Because this is what is needed. Politicians do what the people who elected them want them to do, and there is no hope to expect from them. Most people are in denial or incapable of owning up... No one is gonna come and make everything better for us. We must become adults and responsible.

I believe - with lots of reasons - that in the years to come, a few things will become massively important, like living in the countryside, having a way to produce your own food for the most part, being completely OUT of the whole techno-industrial-financial-fossile fuel vortex, having strong mutual-help relationships with the people who live close to you, ... Awakening and art will be of enormous importance, I think. Not to instrumentalize these, of course... but taking in as much nourishment as possible from the wealth of cultural treasures which are easily available to us at the moment (for now ! hehe) is something I find compelling right now.

Our civilization(s) is already beginning to collapse - when and if the realization starts to sink in, world events start to take a very different meaning. We should prepare for it as best we can.
Industrial civilisation was an insane dream and we must go back to ways of living which will align better with how humanity has functioned since the beginning of time.

I think this doesn't have to be seen as something terrible... I will spare you the thing about crises and opportunities. But there are many very pragmatic and concrete things which can come from facing this reality, letting its radical consequences sink in, and then acting on it... In some ways, it might actually be good news. When I think of the loss and absence of direction and meaning which is so massively present in people my age (I recently turned 26)... Well this fact starts to make a bit more sense.
I'm only beginning to develop in this direction, and I must say that i'm still very shaken and uncertain about what to do, although in some ways understanding all this is operating a profound internal redirection, for me... which is not without some form of grievance, fear, of course. But also an enormous amount of clarity, power, and surprisingly, relief - because of course, I'd known about this without realizing... every young person on the planet knows about this, deep down. This was not sustainable...

Someone mentionned the role religion could play in this. Well, I just want to remind you that the word, before acquiring this almost disgusting connotation that most people feel when they hear it, comes from latin religare, which means "linking", "bonding", "creating connections". This is in fact what we need the most ! I don't remember where I read that, but someone said that religions are in essence "a way of relating to the unconditioned"... Ethical living and knowing nibbana/asankhata - isn't that what we are doing ? We are all religious people here ^^ (I must admit I would hate it if someone told me this).

I'm joking, but at least religion is better than science. A human community whose external and internal structures are governed by something which promotes ethical conducts, instils a sense of sacredness, provides global meaning and in the best of cases, can lead its member to move into the truth (which is what i am personally seeking through meditation practice) - doesn't that sound better, more noble anyways, than our nihilistic societies, than hedonistic materialism, the worship of the individual, and even the epistemological values which have come to govern the western spirit since the scientific revolution ? Incidentally, it is this "progress" which has allowed us to pollute SO MUCH that every single living thing on this planet is now externally threatened, after having, arguably, contributed to the destruction of the interior of man...

People 2500, 2000, even 1000 years ago new much more about what life is and what it means to be alive than we do now with our advanced technologies and fields of knowledge. Isn't science a huge part of the problem ?

I hope many people open their eyes to this as soon as possible. I believe in awakened comunities like this one for the future.

Kind regards,

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Pragmatic Dharma Society Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:55:37 -0400
"Coming Back" Pattern - by: Frank Frank wrote:
So I understand "coming back" in Dzogchen as the movement of waking up from the trance of thinking, then coming back to the knowing and including the thoughts by expanding the knowing through them.

I've discussed this pattern with a Dzogchen practitioner. They suggested to find the 'outside' of the thoughts rather than the 'through'. The details of the process of thought occuring are not important in shi-nè. It's more about maintaining an expansive presence of awareness without any particular focus, at least when aiming for what's called né-pa, completely thought-free clarity of mind.]]>
Meditation Practice Wed, 30 Oct 2019 04:41:09 -0400
Focusing the eyes - by: Frank something suggested by Junglist in his practice log, we have the ability to look at something in the visual field without moving the eyes. The resolution of this "covert attention" is lower than with "overt attention".

The retina of the eye has its most cones in the area of the so call fovea . This is where the resolution is highest. For overt attention the brain repositions the eyes automatically to have the point of interest in the visual field projecting on the fovea. Covert attention, on the other hand, happens elsewhere in the visual field. The brain covertly collects information across the total visual field to determine if there is anything which might be more interesting than what's happening in the fovea. If there is, saccades make the eyes turn to this spot, sometimes even involving head movements, resulting in overt attention to that spot.

The interplay between overt and covert attention is one of the aspects of human physiology which can happen totally automatic at times, and also completely voluntary at different times. This could be the reason why eye manipulation in certain traditions is part of standard meditation practice.

Junglist points out that covertly attending is a kind of "observing seeing", loosely resembling what Shinzen calls "See Rest". It is possible to rest in the total visual field, but also resting ("looking at") two spots at the same time. This would be physiologically impossible with overt attention because there's just one fovea, giving us the impression that visual attending is necessarily serialized. It is, from the point of view of overt attention, but parallel by design with covert attention.

I've walked around the woods and the city today for a couple of hours and worked on "holding the visual field open", trying to be continuously in See Out Rest, while still functioning in traffic. With straight eyes and minimal head movement this generates a nice parallax in the outer corner of the eyes (see here). Resolution in the extreme periphery is low, so the urge to overtly attend anything in those last degrees of visual field can be suppressed, at least for smooth head movements. This results in a very restful feeling of non-dual seeing and headlessness.

Darting the eyes around, on the other hand, makes it very difficult to covertly attend the outer rim of the visual field. The felt sense of See Rest collapses when the field of vision changes quickly. Covertly attending two spots at the same time in the visual field while moving is much more difficult than doing it with a stable visual field. The restfulness and headlessness is much less salient then.

Back home, the effect lingered. I was able to drop into headlessness by just overtly attending straight and covertly in parallel at the left and right periphery - - it even felt as if I just had to fix the eyes in this particular "deconcentrated" fashion. Even without taking in what was happening in the 3 spots (ahead, left and right) I easily dropped into headlessness.]]>
Meditation Practice Tue, 29 Oct 2019 11:13:28 -0400
The Issues of Attention and Awareness - by: Chris Marti Can one be mindful, present, etc. in a state of pain, stress or tension? (I'd say sure, but I wonder if that is sometimes used as a marker of "doing it right" or "not doing it right"). Does that make sense?
Your question makes sense to me in that the underlying phenomena doesn't make a lot of sense :P

Seriously, I think there are quite a few myths floating around in the dharma ether. I do think that practitioners get too focused on things like "successful meditation," feeling happy, not feeling pain/suffering, and not having negative emotions. So when those things are perceived to be going well it skews the perception of the practice itself. It's like curing a disease by focusing on the symptoms. That is the underlying reason for the first question I raised about mindfulness. Without investigating the cause and focusing just on the symptom (being present) we miss the most fruitful benefit and ultimate value of this practice (understanding how mind works).

<I reserve the right to change my answer if I misunderstood the question.>

I agree totally with Ona's comment that this practice, more and more, feels like an argument with God - in fact I am most persistent with the practice when reality is not suiting my preference and there are angry thoughts along lines of "if this is Your current symphony, you can shove it, I'm going to go hide in awareness where I can't hear it too loudly." in other words, the flavor of "NO" inherent in the practice is very palpable.

To this, I can only say :)]]>
General Dharma Discussions Tue, 29 Oct 2019 08:09:12 -0400