NickP's practice notes

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8 years 4 weeks ago #93465 by NickP
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Woke up in the middle of the night startled because of a horrible nightmare in which I was forced to kill someone. My semi-conscious response to it was to generate metta to get back to sleep. I laughed at that reaction when I woke up in the morning, I think I've been smoking too much of this drug <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93466 by Dan G
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that's cool. glad you shared it.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93467 by NickP
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Sat 15 minutes at lunchtime, very engaged. As of late, I seem to be in high EQ as soon as I sit. That's been so for a few days now. Rapid-fire noting nonstop, getting some pretty strong vibrating pressure at the crown spot, sometimes to the point of being mildly painful.

Just now sat 45 minutes. Tired, coming from the gym. Gave up sitting on the cushion after 10 seconds, hip joint was killing me. Sleepiness and dreaminess on and off throughout the sit. Couldn't muster enough energy to do continuous noting, so I did it on and off, enough to avoid long periods of drifting off. For the last few minutes of the sit, everything was vibrating, wherever I looked, many places in the body, a ringing in my ears, the Cirque du Soleil on top of my head had its dance superimposed with a buzzing at the point it was producing the sensation. Its intensity and creativity has been increasing in the last few days. The pressure on the temples is now stronger, and the feeling is as if getting a massage in my head, the sensations are as clear as if somebody's fingers were running through my head.
Thoughts weren't seen very clearly, only saw the grossest ones. No subtle mind processes were seen.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93468 by NickP
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Lunchtime sit, very engaged. Time passed really fast, phenomena observed were the same as in the last few days.

Had a chat with Ron a couple hours ago, we talked about those vibrations played in slow motion, he says that's the mind approaching the anicca door to Nibbana, while the pair of excitement and fear that appears together with them, is an approach to the dukkha door. We agreed I'm not getting anywhere near the anatta door (which involves spaciousness, that has never been a big thing in my practice).
So, for the Path moment to occur, &quot;I&quot; have to get out of the way and get absorbed into those flickering vibrations or the dukkha. And those cool new sensations around the crown hold no special status, they are just more stuff.

Then sat for half an hour. Initially: tired, aversion to sitting, fear of falling asleep or spending half of it lost in dreamland. Set the timer for one hour. Counting 3x10 outbreaths, then 2x10 inbreaths as usual. Usual build-up, noticing the pressure in my head with tingling and coolness in the crown that I described countless times. Thoughts not too clear, only the coarsest ones are seen. Tired. Aversion to the pressure around my right temple, which by now invaded the ear area. Alternating between noting and noticing, preferring to stay at the level of physical sensations, noting one coarse thought here and there. Observing the flickering visual field. After a few minutes, some of those flickers started to slow down, and so I(/the mind?) focused on those while excitement started to build up. The slowdowns started to be more frequent, and the excitement turned to very clear fear. Then one thought resounded very clearly: &quot;I don't want to die!&quot;, but that thought occurred only once, after which the fear passed giving way to more excitement. Then it calmed down and left a heartbeat only slightly faster than the usual pace.
So then the only object in the foreground was the visual flickers. In the background, some sounds from the street, and mild shoulder and back pains. Then the flickers, which had their focus on the center of the visual field covering some 70% of it, came closer. Taking a cinema screen as an analogy, it looked like when the screen widens from 4:3 to 16:9, but in this case, it covered the visual field completely. The flickers immediately became thousands of fireflies flashing for ultra-short instants, and the background was black. The mind entered a definitely altered state of consciousness, one that was aware of every single firefly at once. A thought: &quot;holy shit!&quot;, which was also seen immediately. The mind was completely absorbed in these visual sensations, and after some 5 or 10 seconds, the heart started racing, as in, incredibly fast. So the mind turned to the heart beating and every single tactile sensation was incredibly obvious, every single detail of it, I could swear I felt the blood flowing through it. That probably lasted another 5 to 10 seconds and then both hands were attacked by thousands of pins and needles, and felt as if they were huge, that lasted about one minute. Peace as the heart calmed down, and found I wasn't tired anymore. A minute later I was interrupted, flatmate got home earlier than usual.

Now: Still not tired. Energy patterns changed somewhat, but not too much. Crown tingling still present, on and off, right temple has less intense pressure, and the third eye tensions are almost gone. I could talk about how I see more spaciousness in the way thoughts are produced, but that could as well be a massive scripting exercise.

Skeptical but encouraged, this thing does keep unfolding. Whatever that was, it was something new, and I like novelty.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93469 by NickP
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Just sat for an hour, and had an almost frame-by-frame repetition of yesterday's event (at the culminating point, not the whole sit). See chronology below.

Random observations on the day:
- Last night went to sleep late, didn't feel tired. Ok, I'm an evening person, that's normal.
- This morning I woke up an hour and a half before the alarm, feeling totally rested and energetic. Checked my phone, in which Sleep as Android had been observing my movements during the night, and found that had been tossing and turning for most of it. That's not normal... I'm a heavy sleeper and can't remember the last time I got up before the alarm.
- Got a seat in the morning tube, sat for 5 minutes, major pressure in the right temple and tension in the third eye area.
- Crown sensations and related dances were absent all day, until the evening sit.
- At work: happy, giggly and driven for the whole morning; grumpy, lazy and cynic for the whole afternoon. Not used to mood swings, particularly after all these months in EQ.
- Lunchtime sit: A&amp;P-like eye fluttering, powerful frown after counting some 5 breaths, which disappeared after 5 minutes to give way to some spacing out. Lack of clarity, and couldn't do noting, tried to but gave up after 4 or 5 notes.
- Vipassana off the cushion seems to happen on its own, but only when I incline the mind to it. If I actively try to do vipassana off the cushion, it doesn't work and the mind wanders off.
- Self: a tricky business. Thoughts involving the word &quot;I&quot; or &quot;me&quot; seemed to cause a giggle during the morning. It's been somewhat thinner today. I would have liked to go through a situation today, that would normally involve strong attachment (e.g. praise from my boss) or aversion (e.g. fighting with my gf) to monitor to what extent the mind reacted by selfing. Thoughts occur without reference to a self, but the self doesn't feel like missing from the picture. There isn't a hole where the self was, it just feels completely normal. I don't want to say more because I don't feel genuine talking about this, as the shift has been so subtle that I might be scripting it all.
- The breath is clearer. Feeling like an obstruction was removed.
- Boatload after boatload of thoughts on yesterday's event, and trying to figure out what it was, and trying to use every single reaction to every single event in the day to confirm or refute Path. Like it did for all the previous near-misses. It's really tiring.

Evening sit. Technique: noticing physical sensations, no noting:
1. Tired after the work day. Intense A&amp;P-like eye fluttering, major third eye area tension, major pressure in the right temple immediately after sitting down and closing my eyes. Tiredness forgotten. Pleasant vedana but energy felt overwhelming, almost too much. Lasted some 10 minutes at the same intensity, trading some fluttering for more third eye tension. Not used to it: the recent passes through A&amp;P on the cushion (excluding the retreat) had lasted 3 minutes at most.
2. The energy then retreated. Spaced out, doubts about scripting my experience, strong desire to get up, tiredness back, dropping efforts. The scientist's mind thread kicked off at some point, happy about seeing a Dark Night (yeah I know), saying that cycling means Path, etc.
3. Then the flickering visuals appeared. Focusing on them, maybe seeing one or two slowed-down flickers. Then, the same thing as yesterday happened (from &quot;Then the flickers&quot; to &quot;wasn't tired anymore&quot;). Entrance a little bit longer and less intense, heartbeat a little less fast (yesterday it felt as if the heart rate literally maxed out), firefly density about half of yesterday's, and pins and needles about half as intense. During the event, the mind was, as yesterday, completely sucked into the object. After the pins and needles subsided, the visual field was totally black. After some seconds like this, point 1 repeated, lasting 5 minutes.
4. Sudden noise outside, totally startled me. Then spent the next 10 minutes spacing out, paying attention on and off.
5. Relaxed noticing of the flickers in the visual field. Mind felt somewhat absorbed in the flickers, but not completely. Did that and then just sitting for a few minutes.
6. Checked the timer, had 2 minutes left. Counted breaths, and during those 2 minutes a huge display of fireworks centered in my third eye filled me with buzzing energy.
Timer went off, went to the living room, turned the light on, and it seemed as if it was flickering. It took a few minutes for perception to go back to normal.

Still confused and skeptical. Finding the shift in experience too subtle to be the real deal.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93470 by Russell
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Sounds a bit like Review to me. Do you have a teacher you can talk to?
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93471 by Russell
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Ohh, I looked a couple post back and you talk to Ron. TALK TO RON <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93472 by Ona
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I'd agree with Russell, based on the limited info in your journal here.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93473 by NickP
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Will do.

It's strange, I keep getting signals both ways. Yesterday I sat for 45 and couldn't get anywhere near a clear progress of insight, let alone a Fruition. Today, I was working at my desk, paused for a moment, and got a minuscule blip followed by a rush of energy to the crown.

One thing I'm sure of, is I'm no longer stuck in equanimity as I was last week. I either back-slid significantly or went forward.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93474 by Russell
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93475 by JLaurelC
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I do not think it's backsliding. See how the next days go. Sounds very much like review.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93476 by NickP
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Cautiously optimistic.

Just sat for an hour, started very clearly at mild A&amp;P, then things lost clarity and I so wanted to give up sitting after 25 minutes (checked the timer to see how long I'd have to put up with this torture), then nice EQ groove for a while, culminating very clearly at 45 minutes in the same event as on Tues and Weds. It's unclear to me whether what came after that was a mild A&amp;P or I just stayed in EQ.
The &quot;technique&quot; I used for the sit was inspired by this section of MCTB:
[quote:2a43glw4]Do you cycle naturally through the cycles of insight from stage four to eleven and then attain Fruition? If you just sat down on a cushion and did nothing special, would you move through these stages as easily as falling down a hill? Do Fruitions arise after such cycles in a way that fairly consistently leaves you with the staggering impression that, “that was it!”?[/quote:2a43glw4]
So I did that, just sat on the cushion not trying to do anything special. As in, not powering up the concentration, not noting. Just observing in a relaxed way mostly visual and tactile sensations mixed with some sounds and thoughts here and there, which is what came up naturally. Trying not to script it, just allowing it to do its thing. And the above happened.
So, it wasn't as easy as falling down a hill, but I didn't apply much effort this time. I don't know what a Fruition is, but this event (lasting some 30 seconds) that arose three times this week does leave the impression that it contains one. So, if this is a Fruition, I was expecting for it to change the energy patterns immediately, but it doesn't: it takes a couple minutes for them to change. It leaves me with a buzzing sensation in the crown and waves of coolness descending from it down to the forehead, for more than an hour. And it wipes away all tiredness that might have been there before. During the event, there was the impression that there was energy travelling up (or down, it was unclear) my spine. The heart was less crazy this time round, but still beat fast. I have no idea at what point, if any, the blip occurred.
If the blip that happened yesterday at my desk was a Fruition, then it didn't have an entrance (three doors) or exit, things felt normal before it, and normal afterwards, except maybe for the buzzing energy rushing to the crown. So I wonder how one can have a Fruition without going through/perceiving its door.
I'm having some more aversion to meditation than last week, much more aversion to meditation marathons like the 7 hours I did last weekend, and continuous rapid-fire noting which used to be a breeze is now quite hard to sustain. Right now, I just want to get on with my life and gear down on meditation, but I will eventually walk this path to its very end.

&lt;unproductive rant&gt;
One of the biggest obstacles to my believing that I got Stream Entry on Tuesday is that, if it was, I'd be disappointed with it. Yeah, thoughts are not seen as self, but that quality is so not &quot;in your face&quot; that I could be scripting it all. Perhaps I'm not seeing that big a difference because the process of disembedding from my thoughts started long before Tuesday's event, and there was already little self seen in them. But I was expecting profound obvious insights and they never happened or I never really recognised them as such. I was expecting to see and recognise &quot;formations&quot;, and as I write this I don't have a clue what they are. I was expecting (after reading the text I quoted) for the effortless-sit-ending-in-Fruition to be a daily occurrence without regard to my hearing lots of distracting loud noises from the street while meditating (like on Thursday) or being very tired and sleepy (like yesterday), but it wasn't [i:2a43glw4]that[/i:2a43glw4] effortless to repeat the experience. Yeah, I feel the mood swings more than before, but those may as well be due to external factors. Yeah, I can play with jhanas and on Thursday I tried 2J--&gt;4J--&gt;1J--&gt;3J with good results but they felt forced, and anyway there was a time in December I was able to do that convincingly enough. I suppose I always held this romantic idea that if I was enlightened I'd &quot;know&quot; it in my heart. I assumed the formless realms would open up. I expected to be able to call up a jhana while walking down the street. And I expected for concentration to get stronger. It is strong already, but not noticeably stronger than before.
So yeah, it seems this is Path according to the two stronger measures (effortless sits from A&amp;P to Fruition - assuming that's what it is-, and self-view dropping away -assuming I didn't script it all- ), but all the [u:2a43glw4]sudden[/u:2a43glw4] perks that countless other yogis got together with the attainment are either absent or in doubt. Which makes me question much of this stuff. If this was indeed Path, I hope this serves as a tool for other yogis to adjust their expectations.
&lt;/unproductive rant&gt;
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93477 by Rod1
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Hi Nick,
I just went through a similar pattern of experiences about 5 weeks ago - and was left with the same questions and confusion you have stated in your last post. I got 3 blackout blips over 2 weeks. 2 first in the middle of a really intense meditation after an energy build up the day before. The 3rd was just like the one you had at work - except I was just getting out of bed - fully awake, hadn't been meditating and had a blackout blip - followed by a small tingly wave but not much (like a really small 2nd jhana tingle). The next day had a massive A&amp;P (I think) event. Trying to fit this to the maps is really hard and could suggest lots of things including path. I have not had a blip since, I have always had easy access to jhanas - so no difference there - so like you, no sudden perks! Over the last few weeks since then, everything has flattened out and but for having faith to continue, (as you can see from my log) which has really brought up more questions about where I am, I really felt like forgetting about practice and just getting on with the rest of my life. Except now I realise that things are better - there is less suffering and less dissatisfaction and this is probably why I felt like just carrying on with my life because comparatively, there is less to stress about! So maybe that feeling is an indicator of a big baseline shift in itself?- you don't need the medicine when you don't feel so sick right? So still don't know if I got path but not too worried now, since there is progress. I have read on DHO that some people don't realise they got SE until months or a year later and there is one piece of advice I found that suggests not to claim it till a year and a day after the proposed time (I think Nick Halay mentioned this?). I felt like - after all the effort getting to this milestone (SE) it's hard not to feel like there should be some fireworks or a party or something. I have no idea if its ahead of me or behind me but the expectation of it was just causing me stress and negativity. So I am just continuing to practice and still highly motivated. I really admire your dedication and practice and have benefited from your advice so certainly don't consider that I have much to offer (hell I don't even know where I am <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> ) but I can certainly empathise and hope that you find this helpful. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93478 by Russell
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&quot;NickP&quot;:1dh3m36d wrote: &lt;unproductive rant&gt;
One of the biggest obstacles to my believing that I got Stream Entry on Tuesday is that, if it was, I'd be disappointed with it. Yeah, thoughts are not seen as self, but that quality is so not &quot;in your face&quot; that I could be scripting it all. Perhaps I'm not seeing that big a difference because the process of disembedding from my thoughts started long before Tuesday's event, and there was already little self seen in them. But I was expecting profound obvious insights and they never happened or I never really recognised them as such. I was expecting to see and recognise &quot;formations&quot;, and as I write this I don't have a clue what they are. I was expecting (after reading the text I quoted) for the effortless-sit-ending-in-Fruition to be a daily occurrence without regard to my hearing lots of distracting loud noises from the street while meditating (like on Thursday) or being very tired and sleepy (like yesterday), but it wasn't [i:1dh3m36d]that[/i:1dh3m36d] effortless to repeat the experience. Yeah, I feel the mood swings more than before, but those may as well be due to external factors. Yeah, I can play with jhanas and on Thursday I tried 2J--&gt;4J--&gt;1J--&gt;3J with good results but they felt forced, and anyway there was a time in December I was able to do that convincingly enough. I suppose I always held this romantic idea that if I was enlightened I'd &quot;know&quot; it in my heart. I assumed the formless realms would open up. I expected to be able to call up a jhana while walking down the street. And I expected for concentration to get stronger. It is strong already, but not noticeably stronger than before.
So yeah, it seems this is Path according to the two stronger measures (effortless sits from A&amp;P to Fruition - assuming that's what it is-, and self-view dropping away -assuming I didn't script it all- ), but all the [u:1dh3m36d]sudden[/u:1dh3m36d] perks that countless other yogis got together with the attainment are either absent or in doubt. Which makes me question much of this stuff. If this was indeed Path, I hope this serves as a tool for other yogis to adjust their expectations.
&lt;/unproductive rant&gt;[/quote:1dh3m36d]

Actually that is a pretty productive rant. Expectations are very interesting aren't they. Nothing is ever exactly like you think it will be. Also, it is best not to judge/compare your experience against others experience, because as certain things line up, its not always the same depending on how long you have been practicing and many other factors.

Daniel, for instance, is very, very technical and has a way to describe this stuff in such detail that not many will be able to perceive all the small little nuances that he experienced.

All of this is so much more ordinary than your expectations make it out to be. It changes you forever, but sometimes in ways you can't even put your finger on. You know something changed, but you can't necessarily explain it. Give yourself some time to let it settle in, as for me it was almost unsettling at first. Here is my experience from my old log: [url:1dh3m36d]http&#58;//kennethfolkdharma&#46;com/forum/viewtopic&#46;php?f=5&amp;t=2&amp;start=90#p107[/url:1dh3m36d]

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8 years 3 weeks ago #93479 by JLaurelC
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@NickP: I do so understand your sense of confusion. One thing I learned is that Daniel's highly technical accounts do not match everyone's experience. So don't tie your brain in a knot trying to reconcile what happened to you with what you read there. Second, the impact of this shift is not immediate--although parts of it are, mainly the shape of your sits. This definitely sounds like review. But days, weeks, months ahead, things change. The changes are sometimes subtle, sometimes immediate, but always profound, in ways you can't predict. So cool your jets and see how all this unfolds. And I say this not as a reprimand, but as encouragement. This process is different for everyone.

I can tell you that I was frustrated for awhile that my day-to-day patterns tended to have a stubborn resistance to whatever change I thought I'd encountered. But now, looking back, I am beginning to feel the overwhelming sense of peace and acceptance in a way that I never understood before. Example: I am sitting here doing my income taxes at the last minute, as usual, and there's none of the usual sense of stress and miserable self-loathing (&quot;oh I'm such an idiot!&quot;) that I'd always had as an undercurrent to this process. So whatever else is happening, keep practicing and watch events unfold. I am right now deeply happy for you!

Edit: Russell, obviously great minds think alike! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93480 by NickP
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Thank you all for your words, they do clear up lots of things and set expectations in a more realistic way. I guess I'll have to wait until my guard naturally lowers to understand the full effect of this in my life. Right now my guard is up, and I'm still unconsciously watching for all my mental reactions to confirm or refute SE.

At a conscious level, I'm now more certain that it was Path. Two days in a row sitting in good conditions resulted in this event repeating again and again. Yesterday I set the timer for 45 minutes, but gave up after 35 minutes pretty blissed out after 2 of these events. It's curious, no two of them are exactly the same, but they share some qualities that make it clear that they are events of the same kind. Not necessarily talking about the blip itself (which I can't pinpoint), but rather about the entrance and exit. I'll wait until my chat with Ron on Thursday to confirm Path to call these events Fruitions.

Laurel, I now understand when you talked about the Ferrari. I didn't do a samatha sit yet, but yesterday I paid attention and saw for the first time how little noise there is when I sit.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #93481 by viktorvnh
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@NickP: Yes, lowering the guard is my main thing right now as well... I'm also in kind of a confusion whether I'm in stream entry or not, and the past two days I've been using the strategy &quot;I don't care&quot;... I don't care if I'm in stream entry or not. Kind of just being aware of everything that comes up effortlessly... the eager and willpower to get somewhere surely is powerful tool too, but I have noticed how it's very effectful to just let go of that sometimes. I'll post the video that Russell posted in his log a few days ago (I think) - what Kenneth talks about here, I think, is a very good thing to give some balance to the willpower and the eagerness to make progress...

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href=" kennethfolkdharma.com/2011/07/mahamudra-and-the-joy-of-failure/ "> kennethfolkdharma.com/2011/07/ma ... f-failure/
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8 years 2 weeks ago #93482 by NickP
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Thanks Viktor.

I'll stop using conditional language, not because I'm 100% sure but because sentences get unnecessarily longer. Obviously all of this is still subject to my humongous confirmation bias.

Letting it sink in. Watching myself with joy as the second dart doesn't get fired when I'm in the gym. Lifting weights is painful enough in itself, and only now do I realise how much added suffering there was while doing it. Watching myself with joy as anxiety doesn't arise when I speak to senior managers at the client's. I think I should do some public speaking to see how I react, that'd be interesting. Haven't noticed mood swings in the last 3 or 4 days.

Still meditating a minimum of 45 minutes a day. Zero desire to do it, but no aversion. I do it out of habit, and seemingly, things keep moving. On the cushion, it seemed consistent with Review Phase B. Sat for 45 minutes, technique was &quot;letting it be&quot;. The stages up to Fruition were rather unclear, the beginning felt like a mild A&amp;P, DN and EQ were too blurry to be recognised, and then only found something familiar in the entrance to Fruition. Although this time I stayed at the entrance for 3 or 4 minutes instead of 30 seconds as the last few times, and then backed down. It kind of wouldn't make sense to speak of an exit. This happened twice in tonight's sit. The heart didn't bother to speed up, the spine didn't feel like it was active, the bliss-out was pretty cool for a few minutes and the buzzing energy and coolness around the crown still are still intense after 1.5 hours.

So far, never noticed the blip during meditation. Just saying, not worried about that.

I'll have to say I'm confused again, I thought that Review Phase B started at 1st ñana (per Kenneth, in Nadav's log, 2011-04-12). [quote:1x7eu5d5]1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1, repeat[/quote:1x7eu5d5]
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8 years 2 weeks ago #93483 by NickP
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Nothing better than a refreshing Fruition to power through the work day. That is, time-to-fruition is getting shorter, initially 45 minutes, now short enough to fit comfortably in my lunchtime sit (15m).
Starting point? Unclear, might be 1st as well a veeery mild 4th ñana. I'm terrible at mapping this stuff. But feels more like review B than A, ie no A&amp;P after the Fruition.

Assuming Sotapatti, and all the other boring disclaimers.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #93484 by NickP
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Ok, concentration is actually stronger. One of the 15-minute sits with the vipassana group I spent doing samatha, and whereas the territory I went through isn't clearer or more advanced than ever before, things require a lot less effort. I'm not willing to put in that much effort yet, I'll just wait until I naturally drift past Review.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #93485 by JLaurelC
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Sweet. You're having a honeymoon. This is a wonderful time; enjoy it. Eventually there will be another shift, but it's nothing to worry about.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #93486 by NickP
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Yeah it seems so. Although I feel like I'm spending much of my honeymoon wondering if I'm married!

Feeling unenlightened in some parts of the cycle. Not that the illusion of self reasserts itself, but sometimes, some unpleasant feelings arise spontaneously (i.e. as opposed to reactions to thoughts or external events) and seem to have as much of an impact as before.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #93487 by JLaurelC
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That will happen. You're probably going to be compulsively checking to see what's different. Worse yet, you're going to be comparing yourself to some imagined state of enlightenment and coming up short, and then wondering whether this is real. Observe yourself doing that, and move on. You'll continue to manifest many of your old patterns for quite some time, well into later paths (and, as they tell me, beyond). You'll wonder what the point of all this is! Change will be so subtle that you might not even notice it, until one day you remember something from your past, and realize that it just plain doesn't matter any more, and you'll think, &quot;how odd!&quot; But some stuff is so sticky that it will stay with you for a long time. Just observe all this, including your bewilderment and frustration.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #93488 by NickP
Replied by NickP on topic Re: NickP's practice notes
Compassion! While I was expecting to feel one with the world after SE and want everyone to be happy, I noticed that there is a different quality to it. It's more like &quot;we're all in this together&quot;.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #93489 by Russell
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Good work Nick! Keep on trucking along (like you have a choice now) <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
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