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How do you know when you are really surrendered?

  • telecaster
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16 years 1 month ago #54254 by telecaster
Sorry, I feel like I'm dominating this forum today.
Anyway, I've started a list that answers this question. Feel free to comment, delete, and/or add new ones:

When ANY feeling you are having is okay.
When nothing in your experience ever has to change and it is okay that it always will.
When you don't need to be right.
When you don't need anyone else to know how spiritual you are.
When it doesn't matter if you ever become enlightened.
When you no longer have to have all the answers.
When you know that everything ends and is ending continuously.
When it is completely okay to not be surrendered all the time.
When you stop thinking about how things will be once you get 'there.'
When you've dropped the idea of becoming some kind of special or perfect person.


  • ccasey
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16 years 1 month ago #54255 by ccasey
When there is a realization that there in no one there to surrender, and the question is incredibly funny: now, and now, and now, oh and again, each moment, oops, yep, again...
  • telecaster
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16 years 1 month ago #54256 by telecaster
"When there is a realization that there in no one there to surrender, and the question is incredibly funny: now, and now, and now, oh and again, each moment, oops, yep, again..."

I like that one, thanks. that really kind of envelopes all possible lists, doesn't it?
There is this book called "ambivalent zen," by, I think, Lawrence Shainberg. It tells his history in American Zen (Shimano is in it, Soen is in it, etc. great history from a personal viewpoint). Anyway, much of the book is Shainberg's interactions with a japanese zen teacher whose name I can't remember. at one point he tells shainberg that he must make "great sacrifice." this had a big effect on shainberg. then, one day, they are at a baseball game and the batter does a sacrifice out. Shainberg says to the teacher, just like me, right? or something like that, in other words I have to sacrifice just like him, and the zen guy looks at shainberg incredulously and says,
"larry, what you sacrifice? you have nothing."
  • garyrh
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16 years 1 month ago #54257 by garyrh
Hi Mike,

I do not want to be cute but it the first answer that came to mind :).
When we stopped asking "How do we know when we are really surrendered?" .

This reminds me of the activity to stop activity.



  • kennethfolk
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16 years 1 month ago #54258 by kennethfolk
"When there is a realization that there in no one there to surrender, and the question is incredibly funny: now, and now, and now, oh and again, each moment, oops, yep, again... -ccasey"

Constance!

Dharma!

:-)
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