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Relative vs. absolute in practice

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15 years 9 months ago #56927 by telecaster
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When I first encountered Daniel and Hokai on Buddhist Geeks I was very impressed by their insistence that enlightenment practice had NOTHING to do with working in the relative world of "me" or my "psychological stuff." I'm not sure if I can think of any time kenneth has addressed this and part of the purpose of this thread is to see what he and the rest of you have to say about it.
Anyway I was impressed with this teaching because it rang true. I KNEW from experience yogis were spending way to much time on the cushion dealing with their relative stuff. Time and energy that would be better spent on exploring the three characteristics in an absolute sense -- which is the activity that brings about enlightenment. Yes, working on ourselves is good in its place, but it wasn't important in seeing into our true natures.
Okay, and this, I think, is a subtle, detailed, possibly nit picky point:
My practice lately has been very fruitful in the area of surrender and awareness. I'm letting go and watching things more and getting some insights here and there but especially some great relief from suffering. My suffering me is just out of the picture so much of the time now. And, one thing I am noticing is all the little things I do from either thoughts, conditioning or attitude that usually creates suffering. If I am in a surrendered, watchful state it's like these suffering-creating elements just .... die. I'm not sure if they are merely in a coma with the potential to come back fully to life, but, for the moments I am really practicing they seem to perish in the light of awareness.
So, finally, my question -- is this praticing in the relative or the absolute? To me it seems a little like both in harmony. If I eliminite the suffering me through awareness (if only temporarily) it seems like the peace and emptiness that surrendered watching brings also creates a mind that is ready and able to have
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15 years 9 months ago #56928 by telecaster
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insights into the absolute. I'm not talking about "working" on my stuff here, I'm takling about exploring a completely open and surrenered state in which all things are included and which shines a light on all suffering creating behavior. (at least temporarily) There is no decision made -- the process just happens naturally and effortlessly as a result of the practice. And what I think happens if the process continues (and there is no guarantee that it will be kept up) is more suffering producing behavior will be revealed and rooted out in more and more subtle ways. Endlessly.
Right now my attitude is that whatever is going on is the gate to liberation, or, (my favorite saying) "the door to the door to the door."
The awarenss that is created by the practice becomes an awareness that can turn itself onto the absolute and see things as they are.
What do you think?
I just took a bath and realized that to me the most important thing is to not suffer NOW and anything that brings that about is what I want to do. Now. I wonder what importance insight is to me comparitively or if there is really a distinction.
And, what place does the surrendered watching process/practice have on Kenneth's "how to get enlightened" instructions? (I just re-read it and, well, when I do this EVERYTHING in my field of experience - sensations, feelings, thoughts, "I" is getting objectified. Not always noted but the light of awareness is certainly shown on all of it moment to moment in an objective manner. And, of course, there is surrender)
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