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Latest Kenneth interview: 'The Feedback Loop: Staying on Track'
- jgroove
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- awouldbehipster
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15 years 8 months ago #58261
by awouldbehipster
Replied by awouldbehipster on topic RE: Latest Kenneth interview: 'The Feedback Loop: Staying on Track'
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- livinlite
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15 years 8 months ago #58262
by livinlite
Replied by livinlite on topic RE: Latest Kenneth interview: 'The Feedback Loop: Staying on Track'
Would this feedback loop work simply by speaking the noting outloud?
I would think the act of vocalizing the thought would be enough to keep in the present with what is happening. Maybe writing would work too, but I don't think I could write quickly enough to stay in the present with each successive thought.
On a related note: we did a "dyad" at our sangha last week.
First question was "What are you mindful of right now?" and stayed with that question for about 5 minutes, eyes closed or open, speaking to our questioning partner who repeated the question randomly.
Then second question "Who or what is being mindful?"
I had some really interesting experiences with those questions. Especially the second. I was trying to repeat what was coming up as it came up (where others were taking longer to come back with something or not responding at all...maybe thinking internally about it). The second question had me actually feel a shift internally from this judging conditioning doing the responding to this weird warm feeling in my chest where a smile opened and this feeling of love (sitting watching a sunset, totally enraptured with it) welled up, and I found myself saying "love" "appreciation" "accepting" and then my five minutes were up. It was one of the most "present moment" experiences I've had in my short practice.
I haven't done it with myself yet...asking the "what is being mindful?" question over and over.
Maybe tonight I'll try the vocal noting and see what happens.
I would think the act of vocalizing the thought would be enough to keep in the present with what is happening. Maybe writing would work too, but I don't think I could write quickly enough to stay in the present with each successive thought.
On a related note: we did a "dyad" at our sangha last week.
First question was "What are you mindful of right now?" and stayed with that question for about 5 minutes, eyes closed or open, speaking to our questioning partner who repeated the question randomly.
Then second question "Who or what is being mindful?"
I had some really interesting experiences with those questions. Especially the second. I was trying to repeat what was coming up as it came up (where others were taking longer to come back with something or not responding at all...maybe thinking internally about it). The second question had me actually feel a shift internally from this judging conditioning doing the responding to this weird warm feeling in my chest where a smile opened and this feeling of love (sitting watching a sunset, totally enraptured with it) welled up, and I found myself saying "love" "appreciation" "accepting" and then my five minutes were up. It was one of the most "present moment" experiences I've had in my short practice.
I haven't done it with myself yet...asking the "what is being mindful?" question over and over.
Maybe tonight I'll try the vocal noting and see what happens.
- jgroove
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15 years 8 months ago #58263
by jgroove
Replied by jgroove on topic RE: Latest Kenneth interview: 'The Feedback Loop: Staying on Track'
"Would this feedback loop work simply by speaking the noting outloud?
...Maybe tonight I'll try the vocal noting and see what happens."
That's very interesting, livinlite. The dyad practice sounds a lot like a feedback-based approach. I've had the same thought about vocalization--I wondered about the efficacy of actually sitting there with an MP3 recorder and noting aloud. When playing music, there's something about the presence of a recorder that can change the experience. Maybe something analogous could happen with noting practice. Hmmmm...
Anyway, keep us informed about your experiments!
...Maybe tonight I'll try the vocal noting and see what happens."
That's very interesting, livinlite. The dyad practice sounds a lot like a feedback-based approach. I've had the same thought about vocalization--I wondered about the efficacy of actually sitting there with an MP3 recorder and noting aloud. When playing music, there's something about the presence of a recorder that can change the experience. Maybe something analogous could happen with noting practice. Hmmmm...
Anyway, keep us informed about your experiments!
- kennethfolk
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15 years 8 months ago #58264
by kennethfolk
Replied by kennethfolk on topic RE: Latest Kenneth interview: 'The Feedback Loop: Staying on Track'
Hi livinlite,
Yes, saying it aloud works as a feedback loop. And recorders work great. You get the real time feedback effect plus the benefit of listening to it play back so you can tweak your technique. For example, if you are doing the bystander practice and you listen back and find that you were forgetting to note feeling tone, that becomes information you can put to work immediately in refining your technique.
Yes, saying it aloud works as a feedback loop. And recorders work great. You get the real time feedback effect plus the benefit of listening to it play back so you can tweak your technique. For example, if you are doing the bystander practice and you listen back and find that you were forgetting to note feeling tone, that becomes information you can put to work immediately in refining your technique.