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Why I'll never be famous: the myth of the mass movement
- kennethfolk
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15 years 6 months ago #62225
by kennethfolk
Why I'll never be famous: the myth of the mass movement was created by kennethfolk
This post by the always excellent John MIchael Greer explains why mass movements fail. I can't recommend the article highly enough. Here's an excerpt:
"Now it's easy to insist that getting people in the door is the important thing, and once they're in the movement they can be led gradually to more accurate views. The history of mass movements shows otherwise with depressing consistency. The leaders who imagine themselves drawing the masses step by step to some better set of beliefs and behaviors generally find out the hard way, as their predecessors did, that they are the ones who will be drawn step by step into whatever set of beliefs and behaviors will maximize the size and influence of the movement they head '“ which amounts to whatever set of beliefs and behaviors the masses want them to have."-John Michael Greer
Read the whole thing! You won't be disappointed and if you learn something about resource limits and the likely future of our society, it's all to the good:
www.energybulletin.net/53219
"Now it's easy to insist that getting people in the door is the important thing, and once they're in the movement they can be led gradually to more accurate views. The history of mass movements shows otherwise with depressing consistency. The leaders who imagine themselves drawing the masses step by step to some better set of beliefs and behaviors generally find out the hard way, as their predecessors did, that they are the ones who will be drawn step by step into whatever set of beliefs and behaviors will maximize the size and influence of the movement they head '“ which amounts to whatever set of beliefs and behaviors the masses want them to have."-John Michael Greer
Read the whole thing! You won't be disappointed and if you learn something about resource limits and the likely future of our society, it's all to the good:
www.energybulletin.net/53219
- cmarti
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15 years 6 months ago #62226
by cmarti
Oh man, that brings up so many thoughts. I work with executives in heavy industry so I see what Greer is talking about every freakin' day.
Replied by cmarti on topic RE: Why I'll never be famous: the myth of the mass movement
Oh man, that brings up so many thoughts. I work with executives in heavy industry so I see what Greer is talking about every freakin' day.
- Seekr
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15 years 6 months ago #62227
by Seekr
Replied by Seekr on topic RE: Why I'll never be famous: the myth of the mass movement
Good find.
Makes one think/question when a group/budding movement tries to "expand their reach" to get access to a wider audience.
It certainly challenges the myth of one heroic man/woman changing the course of history by sheer persuasive power.
Heavily endorse the read.
Makes one think/question when a group/budding movement tries to "expand their reach" to get access to a wider audience.
It certainly challenges the myth of one heroic man/woman changing the course of history by sheer persuasive power.
Heavily endorse the read.
- NikolaiStephenHalay
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15 years 4 months ago #62228
by NikolaiStephenHalay
Replied by NikolaiStephenHalay on topic RE: Why I'll never be famous: the myth of the mass movement
Found this interesting short video at
www.ted.com
.
Is this what is happening here? Because it seems like more and more people are getting with it and going for it.
www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_how_to_start_a_movement.html
Is this what is happening here? Because it seems like more and more people are getting with it and going for it.
www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_how_to_start_a_movement.html
- DerekACameron
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15 years 4 months ago #62229
by DerekACameron
Replied by DerekACameron on topic RE: Why I'll never be famous: the myth of the mass movement
Notice that the dancing dude is providing LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE.
That's quite different from trying to convince everyone that they're wrong and you're right.
That's quite different from trying to convince everyone that they're wrong and you're right.
- IanReclus
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15 years 4 months ago #62230
by IanReclus
Replied by IanReclus on topic RE: Why I'll never be famous: the myth of the mass movement
Right on! Love that article.
The thing Greer is talking about in that quote is to basically put the cart before the horse. Increasing the size of the group should never come before cultivating the meaning of the group, or the meaning of the group will be lost, plain and simple. Besides, if someone wants a lot of followers, there's always twitter or myspace....
This brings to mind an article that's been discussed in several talks at my zen group:
www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/opinion/08macdonald.html
Though I don't think Kenneth will ever need to worry about this. Just make sure you're taking vacations, Kenneth, and perhaps observing some sort of Sabbath day. ;p
(just to clarify, the above link is to an op-ed piece responding to an article about "clergy burnout" which came to the conclusion that they don't take enough vacations)
The thing Greer is talking about in that quote is to basically put the cart before the horse. Increasing the size of the group should never come before cultivating the meaning of the group, or the meaning of the group will be lost, plain and simple. Besides, if someone wants a lot of followers, there's always twitter or myspace....
This brings to mind an article that's been discussed in several talks at my zen group:
www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/opinion/08macdonald.html
Though I don't think Kenneth will ever need to worry about this. Just make sure you're taking vacations, Kenneth, and perhaps observing some sort of Sabbath day. ;p
(just to clarify, the above link is to an op-ed piece responding to an article about "clergy burnout" which came to the conclusion that they don't take enough vacations)
- roomy
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15 years 4 months ago #62231
by roomy
Replied by roomy on topic RE: Why I'll never be famous: the myth of the mass movement
The last few months, I've found myself checking out the tabloids at the supermarket-- the glossier, more mainstream ones that obsess over 'stars' and 'celebrities'. My conclusion, so far, is that 'fame' is a really expensive proposition, leaving the famous at the mercy of those who make them so-- the lowest common denominator. And all those faceless people who lift you up can turn aside and let you drop-- or, worse, relish tearing you down to prove that you're not REALLY any better, or important, than they are.
Seems like one of those 'be careful what you wish for' kinda deals.
Seems like one of those 'be careful what you wish for' kinda deals.
