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Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
- APrioriKreuz
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15 years 2 months ago #69678
by APrioriKreuz
Three Characteristics in Direct Mode was created by APrioriKreuz
Based on my experience in the last three weeks:
After 4th path, after training the mindfulness muscle, and working with the 3 gears, one discovers that the vehicle runs on automatic transmission (that phenomena is constantly disembedding, never arising). This discovery allowed me to perceive the Three Characteristics (no-self, insatisfactoriness and impermanence) in a different way.
Phenomena is:
- Pure
- Satisfactory
- responsive
So, grounding means to recognize the pureness, satisfactoriness and responsiveness of phenomena in the six bases of consciousness.
In the tradition of the Great Perfection, or Dzogchen, this corresponds to Dharmakaya (Body or Pureness), Samboghakaya (Body of satisfactoriness/enjoyment) and Nirmanakaya (Body of responsiveness).
What I'm grounding at the moment:
- Fear
- Insecurities
- Any type of anger (physical and mental)
- Cravings
- Inferiorities and grandiosities of my persona
- The need to win in arguments
- Impatience
- Being absent minded
- Procrastination
- Anything that harms me or anyone else.
This all seems like a process.
After 4th path, after training the mindfulness muscle, and working with the 3 gears, one discovers that the vehicle runs on automatic transmission (that phenomena is constantly disembedding, never arising). This discovery allowed me to perceive the Three Characteristics (no-self, insatisfactoriness and impermanence) in a different way.
Phenomena is:
- Pure
- Satisfactory
- responsive
So, grounding means to recognize the pureness, satisfactoriness and responsiveness of phenomena in the six bases of consciousness.
In the tradition of the Great Perfection, or Dzogchen, this corresponds to Dharmakaya (Body or Pureness), Samboghakaya (Body of satisfactoriness/enjoyment) and Nirmanakaya (Body of responsiveness).
What I'm grounding at the moment:
- Fear
- Insecurities
- Any type of anger (physical and mental)
- Cravings
- Inferiorities and grandiosities of my persona
- The need to win in arguments
- Impatience
- Being absent minded
- Procrastination
- Anything that harms me or anyone else.
This all seems like a process.
- APrioriKreuz
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15 years 2 months ago #69679
by APrioriKreuz
Replied by APrioriKreuz on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
When I dont pay the ultimate toll (paying with myself, and perceivable phenomena), the three characteristics still apply.
For example:
If anger arises (and I keep it), I sense it pure, satisfactory and very responsive. This explains why I became addicted to anger (and desire and ignorance).
For example:
If anger arises (and I keep it), I sense it pure, satisfactory and very responsive. This explains why I became addicted to anger (and desire and ignorance).
- APrioriKreuz
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15 years 2 months ago #69680
by APrioriKreuz
Replied by APrioriKreuz on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
If I'm having an argument and I ground suffering for my own benefit only, this easily turns to indifference and arrogance.
- cmarti
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15 years 2 months ago #69681
by cmarti
I think the three characteristics always apply but we can choose to perceive the world as solid, essentially ignoring them. As human beings we can adopt certain modes of perception that are inherent or innate and that then provide for different views on the world. But, and this is important I think, the underlying reality is just what IS. No more, no less. And while we can never experience that reality directly that fact is also the two edged sword that allows us to adopt different views. It is all mediated by mind, whether in what Kenneth calls filtered or direct mode. Thus we have the same reality, viewed in different modes. I can switch back and forth and you can, too.
JMHO
Replied by cmarti on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
I think the three characteristics always apply but we can choose to perceive the world as solid, essentially ignoring them. As human beings we can adopt certain modes of perception that are inherent or innate and that then provide for different views on the world. But, and this is important I think, the underlying reality is just what IS. No more, no less. And while we can never experience that reality directly that fact is also the two edged sword that allows us to adopt different views. It is all mediated by mind, whether in what Kenneth calls filtered or direct mode. Thus we have the same reality, viewed in different modes. I can switch back and forth and you can, too.
JMHO
- APrioriKreuz
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15 years 2 months ago #69682
by APrioriKreuz
Replied by APrioriKreuz on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
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I think the three characteristics always apply but we can choose to perceive the world as solid, essentially ignoring them. As human beings we can adopt certain modes of perception that are inherent or innate and that then provide for different views on the world. But, and this is important I think, the underlying reality is just what IS. No more, no less. And while we can never experience that reality directly that fact is also the two edged sword that allows us to adopt different views. It is all mediated by mind, whether in what Kenneth calls filtered or direct mode. Thus we have the same reality, viewed in different modes. I can switch back and forth and you can, too.
JMHO
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Yes, I completely agree with everything you say Chris.
I think the three characteristics always apply but we can choose to perceive the world as solid, essentially ignoring them. As human beings we can adopt certain modes of perception that are inherent or innate and that then provide for different views on the world. But, and this is important I think, the underlying reality is just what IS. No more, no less. And while we can never experience that reality directly that fact is also the two edged sword that allows us to adopt different views. It is all mediated by mind, whether in what Kenneth calls filtered or direct mode. Thus we have the same reality, viewed in different modes. I can switch back and forth and you can, too.
JMHO
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Yes, I completely agree with everything you say Chris.
- cmarti
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15 years 2 months ago #69683
by cmarti
Thanks.
So we develop a preference for certain modes, yes? How many different modes do we think there are? How would we classify them?
Replied by cmarti on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
Thanks.
So we develop a preference for certain modes, yes? How many different modes do we think there are? How would we classify them?
- APrioriKreuz
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15 years 2 months ago #69684
by APrioriKreuz
Replied by APrioriKreuz on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
"So we develop a preference for certain modes, yes? How many different modes do we think there are? How would we classify them?
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You know the rumor: Samsara and Nirvana are the same thing. =P
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You know the rumor: Samsara and Nirvana are the same thing. =P
- cmarti
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15 years 2 months ago #69685
by cmarti
So in which mode is that perceived as Truth?
Replied by cmarti on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
So in which mode is that perceived as Truth?
- APrioriKreuz
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15 years 2 months ago #69686
by APrioriKreuz
Replied by APrioriKreuz on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
Both, delusion is always delusion. Wanting to see truth is always wanting to see truth. Seeing truth is always seeing truth.
- cmarti
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15 years 2 months ago #69687
by cmarti
Preference for a particular mode notwithstanding.
Replied by cmarti on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
Preference for a particular mode notwithstanding.
- APrioriKreuz
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15 years 2 months ago #69688
by APrioriKreuz
Replied by APrioriKreuz on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
"Preference for a particular mode notwithstanding."
A-ha! ^_^
A-ha! ^_^
- kennethfolk
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15 years 2 months ago #69689
by kennethfolk
Replied by kennethfolk on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
"I think the three characteristics always apply but we can choose to perceive the world as solid, essentially ignoring them."-cmarti
I'd be interested in exploring this idea. Another way to say this would be "the 3 characteristics apply and that's the way it is." We can call this kind of statement a TWIZ for short, as in "the way it is." Another example of a twiz would be "all is God." It would be easy to find support for either assertion in our experience. If we find any evidence that undermines the twiz, we just refer back to the twiz itself and point out that any countervailing evidence must be created by delusion. This applies regardless of whether the twiz is "all is God" or "all is 3 characteristics."
But Chris also pointed out that "the underlying reality is just what IS. No more, no less. And... we can never experience that reality directly..."
The assertion that reality is just what it is is undeniable. So that's a good place to start. As to whether we can ever experience it directly, that's another twiz. But either way, we can clearly see that different people come to radically different conclusions about reality based on their own experience. So yet again there is no place to plant your feet; the 3 characteristics are no more a fact than God.
One of the unexamined assumptions in Buddhism is that not-suffering is better than suffering. I happen to agree, so I accept it as my personal assumption and move on. Now is where it gets interesting, at least to me: if there is a way to end (or reduce) suffering, I am interested and willing to do practices that are said to lead there.
I'm presenting this as a reflection. It ties in with my recent experience that any idea I am not willing to question or even abandon in this moment *is* suffering. And any moment that I see through my ideas is freedom.
I'd be interested in exploring this idea. Another way to say this would be "the 3 characteristics apply and that's the way it is." We can call this kind of statement a TWIZ for short, as in "the way it is." Another example of a twiz would be "all is God." It would be easy to find support for either assertion in our experience. If we find any evidence that undermines the twiz, we just refer back to the twiz itself and point out that any countervailing evidence must be created by delusion. This applies regardless of whether the twiz is "all is God" or "all is 3 characteristics."
But Chris also pointed out that "the underlying reality is just what IS. No more, no less. And... we can never experience that reality directly..."
The assertion that reality is just what it is is undeniable. So that's a good place to start. As to whether we can ever experience it directly, that's another twiz. But either way, we can clearly see that different people come to radically different conclusions about reality based on their own experience. So yet again there is no place to plant your feet; the 3 characteristics are no more a fact than God.
One of the unexamined assumptions in Buddhism is that not-suffering is better than suffering. I happen to agree, so I accept it as my personal assumption and move on. Now is where it gets interesting, at least to me: if there is a way to end (or reduce) suffering, I am interested and willing to do practices that are said to lead there.
I'm presenting this as a reflection. It ties in with my recent experience that any idea I am not willing to question or even abandon in this moment *is* suffering. And any moment that I see through my ideas is freedom.
- APrioriKreuz
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15 years 2 months ago #69690
by APrioriKreuz
Replied by APrioriKreuz on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
"any idea I am not willing to question or even abandon in this moment *is* suffering. And any moment that I see through my ideas is freedom."
Plus, if not questioned or abandoned, they can perhaps lead to deep subtle delusion. That toll is hard to find.
Plus, if not questioned or abandoned, they can perhaps lead to deep subtle delusion. That toll is hard to find.
- cmarti
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15 years 2 months ago #69691
by cmarti
So it all starts with a preference. Maybe the only real truths are what we decide they are!
Fascinating stuff.
Replied by cmarti on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
So it all starts with a preference. Maybe the only real truths are what we decide they are!
Fascinating stuff.
- cmarti
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15 years 2 months ago #69692
by cmarti
Oh, yeah, I cannot deny that my particular mind seeks truth. It gets very preoccupied with that particular task
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Oh, yeah, I cannot deny that my particular mind seeks truth. It gets very preoccupied with that particular task
- BrunoLoff
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15 years 2 months ago #69693
by BrunoLoff
Replied by BrunoLoff on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
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Oh, yeah, I cannot deny that my particular mind seeks truth. It gets very preoccupied with that particular task
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How about common sense, factual truth? "My hand is typing this message on this keyboard," and that kind of stuff. Isn't that enough?
Oh, yeah, I cannot deny that my particular mind seeks truth. It gets very preoccupied with that particular task
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How about common sense, factual truth? "My hand is typing this message on this keyboard," and that kind of stuff. Isn't that enough?
- cmarti
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15 years 2 months ago #69694
by cmarti
To mind nothing is ever "enough."
Replied by cmarti on topic RE: Three Characteristics in Direct Mode
To mind nothing is ever "enough."
