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The 7th Stage of Enlightenment
- augustleo2
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14 years 11 months ago #73529
by augustleo2
The 7th Stage of Enlightenment was created by augustleo2
Some here may be interested in reading a transcription of the end of part 5 and the beginning of part 6 of Kenneth's The 7 Stages of Enlightenment videos on youtube.com:
I applaud Kenneth for making his current understanding available through these videos. If you are interested in watching these videos they are available here:
I apologise for any errors or omissions that I may have made while transcribing this part of the videos.
Transcription:
... You do this kind of "looping thing where mind tries to be subject and object at the same time or oscillates between them. And it says "No ... no "I" here.
So that's the test for the 7th stage. You can no longer find anything that you would recongnize as "I". So what you are left with is objects. There are simply these phenomena and these phenomena can be broken down into seeing, hearing, tasting, touching smelling and thinking - the 6 sense doors according to Buddhism.
Sof if you think about that, you are nothing other than a sense organ. I am nothing other than a sense organ. There's no agency here. There's no doer. There are just these 6 sensory inputs including thinking.
That is an extraordinary recognition. And the freedom that comes from that recognition is the happiness that is independent of conditions, AKA Enlightenment.
And notice it's in the seeing is only the "seen" ... that is exactly the experience - in the seeing is only the "seen" ... it's not the seeing ... it's not seeing as the seer, there is no seer. We don't have a subject receptor. There isn't anything in this mind that can pick up a subject.
edited for spelling
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I applaud Kenneth for making his current understanding available through these videos. If you are interested in watching these videos they are available here:
I apologise for any errors or omissions that I may have made while transcribing this part of the videos.
Transcription:
... You do this kind of "looping thing where mind tries to be subject and object at the same time or oscillates between them. And it says "No ... no "I" here.
So that's the test for the 7th stage. You can no longer find anything that you would recongnize as "I". So what you are left with is objects. There are simply these phenomena and these phenomena can be broken down into seeing, hearing, tasting, touching smelling and thinking - the 6 sense doors according to Buddhism.
Sof if you think about that, you are nothing other than a sense organ. I am nothing other than a sense organ. There's no agency here. There's no doer. There are just these 6 sensory inputs including thinking.
That is an extraordinary recognition. And the freedom that comes from that recognition is the happiness that is independent of conditions, AKA Enlightenment.
And notice it's in the seeing is only the "seen" ... that is exactly the experience - in the seeing is only the "seen" ... it's not the seeing ... it's not seeing as the seer, there is no seer. We don't have a subject receptor. There isn't anything in this mind that can pick up a subject.
edited for spelling
(continued next post)
- augustleo2
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14 years 11 months ago #73530
by augustleo2
Replied by augustleo2 on topic RE: The 7th Stage of Enlightenment
(transcription continued)
Now what that means is that, although we can logically infer that there must be a subject, we can not experience that. The subject is always inferred. So even the practices that involve Awareness, practices that involve letting Awareness be aware of Awareness et cetera, those are practices - transitional modalities or transitional phases which eventually have to be let go of. Because we can not perceive Awareness, we can only infer Awareness.
So we could talk about this in terms of 1st and 2nd order phenomena. 1st order phenomena are the six sense doors: seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling and thinking. 2nd order phenomena would be things like "I know there's Awareness because there has to be." Fine, I don't disagree with the logic, but "you" don't know that. That is an inference.
So subject is always inferred. And as long as we don't feel obligated to take that step or make that leap into inference, we don't create self. [JG: ... there's the object but not the inferred subject] Yes. And as long as we stick with that we're golden. There is the object and the hearing is just the heard. That's it. And although we might like to make it more complicated, it doesn't have to be, and it turns out we're much better off when we don't complicate it. ...
Now what that means is that, although we can logically infer that there must be a subject, we can not experience that. The subject is always inferred. So even the practices that involve Awareness, practices that involve letting Awareness be aware of Awareness et cetera, those are practices - transitional modalities or transitional phases which eventually have to be let go of. Because we can not perceive Awareness, we can only infer Awareness.
So we could talk about this in terms of 1st and 2nd order phenomena. 1st order phenomena are the six sense doors: seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling and thinking. 2nd order phenomena would be things like "I know there's Awareness because there has to be." Fine, I don't disagree with the logic, but "you" don't know that. That is an inference.
So subject is always inferred. And as long as we don't feel obligated to take that step or make that leap into inference, we don't create self. [JG: ... there's the object but not the inferred subject] Yes. And as long as we stick with that we're golden. There is the object and the hearing is just the heard. That's it. And although we might like to make it more complicated, it doesn't have to be, and it turns out we're much better off when we don't complicate it. ...
- xsurf
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14 years 11 months ago #73531
by xsurf
Replied by xsurf on topic RE: The 7th Stage of Enlightenment
Awesome... this map syncs very much with my personal progress of insight.
From I AM/Eternal Witness aka 2nd gear... to One Mind/substantial non-dualism (everything as appearance of an undivided field of Awareness) aka 3rd gear... to Anatta (in the seeing just the seen, no seer)
From I AM/Eternal Witness aka 2nd gear... to One Mind/substantial non-dualism (everything as appearance of an undivided field of Awareness) aka 3rd gear... to Anatta (in the seeing just the seen, no seer)
- xsurf
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14 years 11 months ago #73532
by xsurf
Replied by xsurf on topic RE: The 7th Stage of Enlightenment
"Awesome... much like my recent personal progress of insight.
From I AM/Eternal Witness aka 2nd gear... to One Mind/substantial non-dualism (everything as appearance of an undivided field of Awareness) aka 3rd gear... to Anatta (in the seeing just the seen, no seer)"
p.s. wrote an article about Bahiya Sutta after the insight of anatta at awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2010/10/...on-bahiya-sutta.html
From I AM/Eternal Witness aka 2nd gear... to One Mind/substantial non-dualism (everything as appearance of an undivided field of Awareness) aka 3rd gear... to Anatta (in the seeing just the seen, no seer)"
p.s. wrote an article about Bahiya Sutta after the insight of anatta at awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2010/10/...on-bahiya-sutta.html
