List of common noting words

Hi everybody. I was wondering if anyone could possibly point me to a good list of noting words.
I'm sure i've seen some on the net before but can't recall where.
Thanks very much. Jacki.

Hi Jacki,

Andymr posted this to John's practice journal. It's from Mumuwu's practice journal. Maybe it will be helpful to you.

"See Mumuwu's practice journal at kennethfolkdharma.wetpaint.com/thread/40...27s+Practice+Journal
Check out entries 272, 316, and then the transcribed recordings at 460-466. There's a lot of good stuff in this journal."

Also,check out the 1st Gear in the "Start Here" menu. Kenneth gives an excellent introduction to the four foundations of mindfulness and a great starting place for noting practice.

You can also check out Shinzen Young's videos on Youtube at "Expand And Contract" and "Shinzen Inteviews." Shinzen's noting system is a macro system that distills the four fondations in broad categories. It's a very compelling innovation in my view. Check it out for yourself.

One more thing. You can start developing your own noting vocabulary right now. You don't need to wait to find the right wording outside your own experience. I'm very new to the noting system myself and when I started this practice I noticed that there were 2 kinds of seeing. I would note "seeing, seeing, seeing," but sometimes it felt like that label was not always true. Then I realized that I engaged in two types of seeing. The first was seeing something I recognized or chose to look at and the second was looking at something I didn't recognize or was trying to discern. That second type of seeing I noted as "looking." The notes that I had been taught didn't ring true to my experience so adjusted the system to reflect my experience. You may have to/want to do this as well.

Much success!
Alvaro

thanks alvaro for all of this.

i am glad you happened to direct me to the link above, if only for the discovery of mumuwu's practice journal. wow

thanks for the tips. i really need them because noting isn't my thing. i do it, a bit, but i much prefer to observe, or "notice" rather than "note". i don't like sticking these big fat words in the middle of what i am looking at. but, then again, it might shout down my constant internal commentary a bit, which might be a good thing. Maybe that's why i'm resistant to it -- i don't want to have to shut up.

i've read the "start here" bit. i've read quite a few of kenneth's notes on various things and really gotten a lot from it. the noting words sometimes don't sit well with me because they have these four categories which i get, however, sometimes they don't seem entirely consistent. the thing that seems most difficult, is the doubles or triples. i won't go there, i don't think. i'm not sold on noting. is it obvious?

off i go now to check out shinzen young.

thanks again, this is really marvellous info. jacki.

Hi Jacki,

Like I said, I'm new to noting too and I know I'm not ready to bring doubles or triples into my practice. I also spend much of my time fretting over whether the note is spot on or not. When I catch myself doing this I just note it, "fretting, fretting, fretting, frustrated, frustrated, angry, fed up." But if you have developed the concentration and equanimity you might be surprised by how much progress you make.

A question for you to consider is this: if you're not sold on noting then why do you want to do it? You maybe better off with a 2nd gear practice or doing shikantaza or something else entirely.

All the best, Alvaro

hi alvaro! you do seem to be noting, which is good isn't it. i mean you're noting "fretting" which means you're standing back from your fretting and seeing it as not you. that's a good thing right?

the reason why i think i have to note is that a whole bunch of very wise people say "note!". also in daniel ingram's book (have you read it?) he talks about how it's useful in getting through the dark night and so on. i am scared of what is going to happen to me (hmmm writing that i realise -- why am i scared RIGHT NOW of something that is going to happen to me. which may not even happen anyway... yikes)... so i want to be prepared and do all this the best way i can.

i love the second and third gear stuff though.. you know conceiving of things in a more mind expanding way that allows natural insight... it's kinda beautiful. i think that is where dharma is mystical and really meaningful. i guess when i say mystical here, i mean, beyond regular conceptual thought. lovely....

Jacki,

"...which means you're standing back from your fretting and seeing it as not you."

Not exaclty, the noting allows me to settle into the experience moment by moment. Basically, it gives me the "breathing room" to be here now with less reactivity.

"...in daniel ingram's book (have you read it?)"

Yes, I have. Are you interested in awakening? If so, many wise people, including Daniel Ingram, have said that noting is the heat-seeking missile of awakening systems.

Does anyone have a quick way to go to a certain post in a thread?.For example, how do I get to post 272 on Mumuwu's thread without skimming through a lot pages of posts.

Hi Jacki, I found this at Shinzen.org. It's a thorough outline of the noting system that Shinzen Young developed. I haven't practiced it, but maybe you'll find it useful.

www.shinzen.org/Retreat%20Reading/Getting%20the%20Lingo.pdf

Hi Jackha, I don't know of any shortcuts other than entering search terms which may or may not get you where you want to go.

"Does anyone have a quick way to go to a certain post in a thread?.For example, how do I get to post 272 on Mumuwu's thread without skimming through a lot pages of posts."

If you go to page 2 of my journal, you'll see a bit at the end of the url that looks like this:
"MuMuWu%27s+Practice+Journal?offset=20&maxResults=20"

If you change the offset to one less than the number you want to see - in this case you want to see 272 - so it'd be 271 ("MuMuWu%27s+Practice+Journal?offset=271&maxResults=20" ) You'll get what you're looking for

Elsewhere, I posted this list which might be helpful:

- Thoughts: planning thoughts, imaging thoughts, reflecting thoughts, speculation thoughts, questioning thoughts, calculating thoughts, worrying thoughts, evaluation thoughts, scenario-spinning thoughts, thought salad (Kenneth's term for when there is just a mess of thoughts)
- Body and senses: pain, pleasure, tension, release, heat, warmth, coolness, cold, prickling, tingling, throbbing, pressure, tickling, itching, rubbing, pulsing, movement, vibrating, flowing, touching, brushing, seeing, hearing, tasting, touching.
- Mindstates: happiness, sadness, anger, nausea, fear, misery, disgust, joy, bliss, equanimity, contentment, curiosity, investigation, interest, boredom, spaceousness, restlessness, peace, calm, irritation, frustration, aversion (use "aversion X" when it gets really bad!), craving, doubt, resolve, confusion, amusement, compassion, metta, self-pity, dullness, tiredness

alvaro, mumuwu, andy, thanks.

it's useful to have more words and ways of noting. it gives me something to use and it helps me to realise when i experience that very thing myself. i might not have recognised so clearly what something was if i hadn't seen a word (or couple of words) that describes it so well.

it's been really good to start to recognised habitual patterns. self torture we inflict upon ourselves...