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  • anaj
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13 years 3 months ago #90863 by anaj
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I found this article on the subject-object illusion. How does this apply in regards to practice?
www.uncoveringlife.com/the-subject-object-illusion/
  • cmarti
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13 years 3 months ago #90864 by cmarti
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That is what your practice is really about at the deepest level - understanding exactly how you perceive the universe. Your mind is constantly creating the illusion of separateness, creating objects out of perceptions (including the illusion of a separate "you") based on sensory input (sight, sound, touch, taste, thoughts) and by inference a subject that is separate from those objects. If you were to Google "dependent origination" you would find many Buddhist versions of that write up.

Unlocking the way your mind perceives is the key to opening the door of awakening.

  • cmarti
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13 years 3 months ago #90865 by cmarti
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I like what that blog says about time and space, too.

  • cloudsfloatby
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13 years 3 months ago #90866 by cloudsfloatby
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"How does this apply in regards to practice?"

There are useful pointers in the article, but if your question is how the article relates to Buddhist practice, then some of the author's assertions were refuted by the Buddha - specifically the statements "objects do not actually exist" and "there is no external world".

See for example:

www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.015.than.html

  • cmarti
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13 years 3 months ago #90867 by cmarti
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I repeat --

That is what your practice is really about at the deepest level - understanding exactly how you perceive the universe. Your mind is constantly creating the illusion of separateness, creating objects out of perceptions (including the illusion of a separate "you") based on sensory input (sight, sound, touch, taste, thoughts) and by inference a subject that is separate from those objects.

Maybe we can get beyond arguing about whether or not the article is perfectly, canonically correct, if that even matters. The main point in it holds and is the key to deep realization. No old text can take that away from us. All we need to do is sit and realize the nature of mind. Experience matters.

  • cloudsfloatby
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13 years 3 months ago #90868 by cloudsfloatby
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Was I arguing? I don't disagree with you Chris. Anaj asked how this article applied to practice and since he or she didn't specify what sort of practice, I thought it might be helpful to mention that with respect to Buddhist practice there were some issues.

From my point of view, you, Anaj, or anyone else are free to make up their own mind about whether the Buddha or the blog writer is closer to the mark. Or to put it another way, whose view is more useful for the fading of dukkha.

Metta :)


  • cmarti
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13 years 3 months ago #90869 by cmarti
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"Or to put it another way, whose view is more useful for the fading of dukkha."

How should folks make that judgment?

  • B.Rice
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13 years 3 months ago #90870 by B.Rice
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"
I repeat --

That is what your practice is really about at the deepest level - understanding exactly how you perceive the universe. Your mind is constantly creating the illusion of separateness, creating objects out of perceptions (including the illusion of a separate "you") based on sensory input (sight, sound, touch, taste, thoughts) and by inference a subject that is separate from those objects.

Maybe we can get beyond arguing about whether or not the article is perfectly, canonically correct, if that even matters. The main point in it holds and is the key to deep realization. No old text can take that away from us. All we need to do is sit and realize the nature of mind. Experience matters.

"

Holy Over reacting, Batman!!
No one is arguing Ona, you are right.

B.
  • cloudsfloatby
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13 years 3 months ago #90871 by cloudsfloatby
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@ Chris, post #6

Well, just like you said above - experience!
:)

That's the short answer. The Buddha gives his reasons in many suttas, and he seems quite concerned that "wrong view" can condition unethical behavior. I think he recognized a danger in disrespecting the relative in favor of the ultimate - or the reverse. The question for any practitioner is, is that true? And why, or why not?

  • cmarti
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13 years 3 months ago #90872 by cmarti
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Yes. We live in both, all the time.

Of course, all of this pales in comparison to the importance of Verizon not offering simultaneous voice and data on the iPhone.

  • cloudsfloatby
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13 years 3 months ago #90873 by cloudsfloatby
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"Of course, all of this pales in comparison to the importance of Verizon not offering simultaneous voice and data on the iPhone."

:-D

  • meekan
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13 years 3 months ago #90874 by meekan
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Has anyone read Sobottka's "A course in consciousness"?
i hope I canmake the time one day...
faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/
  • apperception
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13 years 3 months ago #90875 by apperception
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jeez
  • meekan
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13 years 3 months ago #90876 by meekan
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