"Contrived mind" and "the basic mind."

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Great point, Jake. And I like the metaphor, too. : )"

thanks- can't take credit though, it's gotta be a few thousand years old

"thanks- can't take credit though, it's gotta be a few thousand years old "


Ha! True that.

"Interesting, Gary. Can you break that down a bit?"

The sensors and thought, in mind, have a primal intelligence of there own. i am sugggesting this primal intelligence does not grasp, avert or discrimate in the manner of the contrived mind. BTW I think contrived mind happens and any ATTEMPT to exit can only come from the contrived mind being itself a discrimation. The contrived mind is certainly a great asset, I guess the trick is to see it as such and not be it.

Reminds me of St. Paul's "inner man" and "outer man" :

"Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day."

"For I joyfully concur with the Law of God in the inner man..."

"but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind, and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members."

"Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?"

"So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin."

Well, sorta-- except for the 'God' and 'sin' and the mind vs. body dualities...

My sense is that contrasts posited in Buddhism are only dualities-- irreconcilable opposites (as differentiated from reciprocal poles of a dynamic) in the view of the person whose expectations insist on it. So that 'contrived mind' (or confusion or distortion) is not some other existent thing from 'basic mind' or the nature of the mind, but a temporarily deranged deployment, subject to being understood as such at any moment.

Exactly. They are the same mind in a very basic sense, and the trick is to see the fundamental non-duality of mind as it is.

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Exactly. They are the same mind in a very basic sense, and the trick is to see the fundamental non-duality of mind as it is.

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Cittanupassana (Contemplation on the Mind)